Cellular Terrain & Your Health with Dr. Jess Armine

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Now, let's get and new ways of thinking. Now, let's get and new ways of thinking. Now, let's get into it. into it. into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Feel that? Hello and welcome back to another Hello and welcome back to another Hello and welcome back to another episode of Integrative View Radio. I am episode of Integrative View Radio. I am episode of Integrative View Radio. I am Dr. Nick and I am blessed today with Dr. Dr. Nick and I am blessed today with Dr. Dr. Nick and I am blessed today with Dr. Jess. We got into I think at least a Jess. We got into I think at least a Jess. We got into I think at least a dozen uh quick side tangents before this dozen uh quick side tangents before this dozen uh quick side tangents before this and I had to stop him on every single and I had to stop him on every single and I had to stop him on every single one. I was like, "Whoa, whoa, wait, one. I was like, "Whoa, whoa, wait, one. I was like, "Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. This is this is good [  ] wait, wait. This is this is good [  ] wait, wait. This is this is good [ __ ] We're gonna we're gonna talk about this We're gonna we're gonna talk about this We're gonna we're gonna talk about this later." So, here we are. So, really later." So, here we are. So, really later." So, here we are. So, really quick, Dr. Jess, introduce yourself. quick, Dr. Jess, introduce yourself. quick, Dr. Jess, introduce yourself. tell us about yourself, your practice, tell us about yourself, your practice, tell us about yourself, your practice, and then we'll get in deep. and then we'll get in deep. and then we'll get in deep. Thanks so much, Dr. Mick. I appreciate Thanks so much, Dr. Mick. I appreciate Thanks so much, Dr. Mick. I appreciate appreciate the opportunity to talk with appreciate the opportunity to talk with appreciate the opportunity to talk with you today and share some information you today and share some information you today and share some information with your audience. My name is Dr. Jess with your audience. My name is Dr. Jess with your audience. My name is Dr. Jess Armline. Okay. I've been in health care Armline. Okay. I've been in health care Armline. Okay. I've been in health care one form or another for 50 years. one form or another for 50 years. one form or another for 50 years. Starting in around 1975, I became an EMT Starting in around 1975, I became an EMT Starting in around 1975, I became an EMT in New York City and became one of the in New York City and became one of the in New York City and became one of the first paramedics there. Uh, and uh, that first paramedics there. Uh, and uh, that first paramedics there. Uh, and uh, that was interesting because that's when that was interesting because that's when that was interesting because that's when that TV show Emergency was on and everybody TV show Emergency was on and everybody TV show Emergency was on and everybody in the world saying why don't we have in the world saying why don't we have in the world saying why don't we have paramedics for prehosp emergency care. paramedics for prehosp emergency care. paramedics for prehosp emergency care. So I did that and simultaneously I um I So I did that and simultaneously I um I So I did that and simultaneously I um I went to nursing school. I went to went to nursing school. I went to went to nursing school. I went to college for nursing and graduated with a college for nursing and graduated with a college for nursing and graduated with a BS in nursing in 1978. BS in nursing in 1978. BS in nursing in 1978. So my nursing career was partially in So my nursing career was partially in So my nursing career was partially in the army and um obviously beyond that the army and um obviously beyond that the army and um obviously beyond that and I did mostly emergency department and I did mostly emergency department and I did mostly emergency department nursing and critical care. I used to be nursing and critical care. I used to be nursing and critical care. I used to be head nurse over coronary intensive care head nurse over coronary intensive care head nurse over coronary intensive care unit. Um I became interested in unit. Um I became interested in unit. Um I became interested in going beyond please excuse me going beyond please excuse me going beyond please excuse me going beyond the u what I saw as going beyond the u what I saw as going beyond the u what I saw as limiting parameters of of health care limiting parameters of of health care limiting parameters of of health care and decided to become a doctor. And so I and decided to become a doctor. And so I and decided to become a doctor. And so I looked into medical school but looked into medical school but looked into medical school but ultimately uh decided on chiropractic ultimately uh decided on chiropractic ultimately uh decided on chiropractic school, chiropractic college. Uh I went school, chiropractic college. Uh I went school, chiropractic college. Uh I went there and graduated in 1986 and started there and graduated in 1986 and started there and graduated in 1986 and started started working traditionally as a started working traditionally as a started working traditionally as a chiropractor. chiropractor. chiropractor. Um I found that limiting because the the Um I found that limiting because the the Um I found that limiting because the the diagnosis set was like that's easy you diagnosis set was like that's easy you diagnosis set was like that's easy you know. know. know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I wasn't I couldn't get into the And I wasn't I couldn't get into the And I wasn't I couldn't get into the hype involved in the politics and I'm hype involved in the politics and I'm hype involved in the politics and I'm not that kind of person. not that kind of person. not that kind of person. Um I started getting interested in the Um I started getting interested in the Um I started getting interested in the broader um complimentary or integrative broader um complimentary or integrative broader um complimentary or integrative medicine concepts out there. medicine concepts out there. medicine concepts out there. uh throughout um that time I started you uh throughout um that time I started you uh throughout um that time I started you know learning different things and know learning different things and know learning different things and unfortunately one of my children unfortunately one of my children unfortunately one of my children developed schizophrenia developed schizophrenia developed schizophrenia and being a good dad I took him to the and being a good dad I took him to the and being a good dad I took him to the psychiatrist. Now, this very bright, psychiatrist. Now, this very bright, psychiatrist. Now, this very bright, intelligent boy who at 10 years of age intelligent boy who at 10 years of age intelligent boy who at 10 years of age read Dante's Inferno and understood it read Dante's Inferno and understood it read Dante's Inferno and understood it and explained it to me, which makes me and explained it to me, which makes me and explained it to me, which makes me believe he's really not from this believe he's really not from this believe he's really not from this planet, but that's besides me. planet, but that's besides me. planet, but that's besides me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and he he would tell you that at the Uh, and he he would tell you that at the Uh, and he he would tell you that at the time, I am an alien. I said, now you time, I am an alien. I said, now you time, I am an alien. I said, now you proved it to me. proved it to me. proved it to me. But, uh, the medicines that they gave But, uh, the medicines that they gave But, uh, the medicines that they gave him made him a non- entity. Literally, him made him a non- entity. Literally, him made him a non- entity. Literally, he was sitting on the couch doing this. he was sitting on the couch doing this. he was sitting on the couch doing this. And I'm also a religious person, so he And I'm also a religious person, so he And I'm also a religious person, so he was was was But I got very angry, very angry. But I got very angry, very angry. But I got very angry, very angry. And I literally said to our higher And I literally said to our higher And I literally said to our higher powers that this disease is messing with powers that this disease is messing with powers that this disease is messing with the wrong daddy. And I launched into the wrong daddy. And I launched into the wrong daddy. And I launched into learning a lot of different things about learning a lot of different things about learning a lot of different things about neurotransmitter balances. And just like neurotransmitter balances. And just like neurotransmitter balances. And just like anything else in the universe, people, anything else in the universe, people, anything else in the universe, people, you know, when you have a true desire you know, when you have a true desire you know, when you have a true desire for something, spirit, whatever, will for something, spirit, whatever, will for something, spirit, whatever, will put that information in front of you, put that information in front of you, put that information in front of you, courses, people who do it, that kind of courses, people who do it, that kind of courses, people who do it, that kind of stuff. And that's exactly what happened. stuff. And that's exactly what happened. stuff. And that's exactly what happened. So over time I developed an expertise in So over time I developed an expertise in So over time I developed an expertise in genetics. Got is in the very beginnings genetics. Got is in the very beginnings genetics. Got is in the very beginnings of the genetics craze. Okay? So I know of the genetics craze. Okay? So I know of the genetics craze. Okay? So I know all the guys who are doing it because I all the guys who are doing it because I all the guys who are doing it because I was part of it and so I can read entire was part of it and so I can read entire was part of it and so I can read entire genetic profiles and tell you what genetic profiles and tell you what genetic profiles and tell you what they're about. Um in a concept called they're about. Um in a concept called they're about. Um in a concept called neuroendoimmunology which is a neuroendoimmunology which is a neuroendoimmunology which is a relationship between the nervous system relationship between the nervous system relationship between the nervous system the hormone system and the uh immune the hormone system and the uh immune the hormone system and the uh immune system and how they interact to balance system and how they interact to balance system and how they interact to balance your body. Okay. We got an interest and your body. Okay. We got an interest and your body. Okay. We got an interest and expertise in mitochondrial function and expertise in mitochondrial function and expertise in mitochondrial function and a small area that most people don't a small area that most people don't a small area that most people don't consider which is um cell membrane consider which is um cell membrane consider which is um cell membrane integrity which is integrity which is integrity which is so you talk about leaky gut, leaky so you talk about leaky gut, leaky so you talk about leaky gut, leaky cells, leaky brain which is by the way cells, leaky brain which is by the way cells, leaky brain which is by the way a shameless plug for my book on Amazon. a shameless plug for my book on Amazon. a shameless plug for my book on Amazon. Okay. But nevertheless, I started doing Okay. But nevertheless, I started doing Okay. But nevertheless, I started doing this kind of work and I started seeing I this kind of work and I started seeing I this kind of work and I started seeing I started attracting people who have had started attracting people who have had started attracting people who have had chronic illnesses that hadn't gotten chronic illnesses that hadn't gotten chronic illnesses that hadn't gotten success elsewhere. The more people like success elsewhere. The more people like success elsewhere. The more people like that I got, the more I started to notice that I got, the more I started to notice that I got, the more I started to notice a particular area that had never been a particular area that had never been a particular area that had never been truly considered, therefore not treated. truly considered, therefore not treated. truly considered, therefore not treated. And as we discussed, it's called the And as we discussed, it's called the And as we discussed, it's called the terrain or what I used to call terrain or what I used to call terrain or what I used to call foundation. foundation. foundation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. and the creation of what's now Okay. and the creation of what's now Okay. and the creation of what's now known as terrain treatment or what I known as terrain treatment or what I known as terrain treatment or what I started with foundational treatment. I started with foundational treatment. I started with foundational treatment. I was one of the originators of it. And was one of the originators of it. And was one of the originators of it. And what that is is paying attention to what that is is paying attention to what that is is paying attention to cellular function. Okay? Not exclusive cellular function. Okay? Not exclusive cellular function. Okay? Not exclusive of the downstream effect which we call a of the downstream effect which we call a of the downstream effect which we call a diagnosis, right? But that was the thing diagnosis, right? But that was the thing diagnosis, right? But that was the thing not being treated. So when you had these not being treated. So when you had these not being treated. So when you had these people getting being ill and whatever people getting being ill and whatever people getting being ill and whatever root causes were allegedly root causes were allegedly root causes were allegedly eradicated, assuming that they There was eradicated, assuming that they There was eradicated, assuming that they There was a root cause for lots of different a root cause for lots of different a root cause for lots of different things. things. things. The reason they weren't getting better The reason they weren't getting better The reason they weren't getting better was because the terrain was not being was because the terrain was not being was because the terrain was not being treated. If a cell's not functioning treated. If a cell's not functioning treated. If a cell's not functioning well, well, well, I don't I don't think I don't I don't think I don't I don't think everybody everybody everybody might not understand what terrain means. might not understand what terrain means. might not understand what terrain means. So can you explain what the terrain So can you explain what the terrain So can you explain what the terrain actually means? actually means? actually means? Absolutely. Think think about the Absolutely. Think think about the Absolutely. Think think about the terrain of anything. Okay. So what is terrain of anything. Okay. So what is terrain of anything. Okay. So what is the terrain of your body? Well, it's the terrain of your body? Well, it's the terrain of your body? Well, it's your cellular function. Put cells your cellular function. Put cells your cellular function. Put cells together, you get tissues. Put tissues together, you get tissues. Put tissues together, you get tissues. Put tissues together, you get organs. Put organs together, you get organs. Put organs together, you get organs. Put organs together, you get a body. So if at the together, you get a body. So if at the together, you get a body. So if at the very basis of anything in your body is very basis of anything in your body is very basis of anything in your body is not working the cell for different not working the cell for different not working the cell for different reasons, okay, it's you're not going to reasons, okay, it's you're not going to reasons, okay, it's you're not going to be able to heal. So when you think about be able to heal. So when you think about be able to heal. So when you think about terrain in this sense, you think about terrain in this sense, you think about terrain in this sense, you think about cellular function and very often almost cellular function and very often almost cellular function and very often almost 99.9% of the time it's gut function. 99.9% of the time it's gut function. 99.9% of the time it's gut function. Okay? Why the gut is not working. Okay? Okay? Why the gut is not working. Okay? Okay? Why the gut is not working. Okay? remember that 80% of your immune system remember that 80% of your immune system remember that 80% of your immune system is with your gut. is with your gut. is with your gut. Y Y Y So if that's not working correctly and So if that's not working correctly and So if that's not working correctly and we're not going to, you know, not argue we're not going to, you know, not argue we're not going to, you know, not argue about concepts, your body's not. So about concepts, your body's not. So about concepts, your body's not. So that's kind of your terrain. It's not that's kind of your terrain. It's not that's kind of your terrain. It's not just a microbiome with probiotics. It's just a microbiome with probiotics. It's just a microbiome with probiotics. It's the entire function. So cellular the entire function. So cellular the entire function. So cellular function is the terrain. Okay. And we function is the terrain. Okay. And we function is the terrain. Okay. And we use the word terrain because the concept use the word terrain because the concept use the word terrain because the concept is much easier to to, you know, is much easier to to, you know, is much easier to to, you know, visualize. visualize. visualize. Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, Yeah. I mean, if you think about it, it's like you're going to plant a garden it's like you're going to plant a garden it's like you're going to plant a garden and you can put in organic vegetables and you can put in organic vegetables and you can put in organic vegetables and organic fruits, but if the soil's and organic fruits, but if the soil's and organic fruits, but if the soil's crap, doesn't have any nutrients, crap, doesn't have any nutrients, crap, doesn't have any nutrients, the terrain the terrain the terrain can't actually grow healthy crops. can't actually grow healthy crops. can't actually grow healthy crops. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Exactly. It doesn't matter. Doesn't matter what you throw at it, Doesn't matter what you throw at it, Doesn't matter what you throw at it, the the terrain, the foundation, as you the the terrain, the foundation, as you the the terrain, the foundation, as you mentioned, mentioned, mentioned, it it's unable to actually support life. And taking that example to another in And taking that example to another in And taking that example to another in another direction, if you start putting another direction, if you start putting another direction, if you start putting artificial stuff in there, you know, or artificial stuff in there, you know, or artificial stuff in there, you know, or put organo phosphates like Roundup to put organo phosphates like Roundup to put organo phosphates like Roundup to kill the things around it, that gets kill the things around it, that gets kill the things around it, that gets absorbed and then the fruit becomes absorbed and then the fruit becomes absorbed and then the fruit becomes I won't say less functional, but not as I won't say less functional, but not as I won't say less functional, but not as healthy, very not as healthy. So healthy, very not as healthy. So healthy, very not as healthy. So well, it creates a different function, well, it creates a different function, well, it creates a different function, you know, it actually genetically you know, it actually genetically you know, it actually genetically modifies it. modifies it. modifies it. Yeah, it can genetically modify it and Yeah, it can genetically modify it and Yeah, it can genetically modify it and things like organo phosphates and things like organo phosphates and things like organo phosphates and Roundup actually get into the plant and Roundup actually get into the plant and Roundup actually get into the plant and get into the soil and get into the get into the soil and get into the get into the soil and get into the water. And if you if you want to know water. And if you if you want to know water. And if you if you want to know why Roundup, which is an organo why Roundup, which is an organo why Roundup, which is an organo phosphate, works so quickly, it stops phosphate, works so quickly, it stops phosphate, works so quickly, it stops the mitochondrial function in the plant. the mitochondrial function in the plant. the mitochondrial function in the plant. So you've seen it happen in hours. So you've seen it happen in hours. So you've seen it happen in hours. So what do you think it's doing to you? So what do you think it's doing to you? So what do you think it's doing to you? I mean mitochondria or mitochondria. You I mean mitochondria or mitochondria. You I mean mitochondria or mitochondria. You may have 30 trillion cells with 1,000 to may have 30 trillion cells with 1,000 to may have 30 trillion cells with 1,000 to 100,000 mitochondria per cell. You do 100,000 mitochondria per cell. You do 100,000 mitochondria per cell. You do the math, okay? But it's going to the math, okay? But it's going to the math, okay? But it's going to degrade the overall function. Add that degrade the overall function. Add that degrade the overall function. Add that to other things that are thrown at us. to other things that are thrown at us. to other things that are thrown at us. Or Or Or and listeners, really quick, think of and listeners, really quick, think of and listeners, really quick, think of back in your school age. Your back in your school age. Your back in your school age. Your mitochondria is the your powerhouse. It mitochondria is the your powerhouse. It mitochondria is the your powerhouse. It what gives you all your power. what gives you all your power. what gives you all your power. So if your mitochondria is not So if your mitochondria is not So if your mitochondria is not functioning, you don't have power. If functioning, you don't have power. If functioning, you don't have power. If you don't have power, you don't have power, you don't have power, mitochondria, carry on. carry on. carry on. You can heal. You can heal. You can heal. Yep. But so for people who need to know Yep. But so for people who need to know Yep. But so for people who need to know a little bit about mitochondrial a little bit about mitochondrial a little bit about mitochondrial function, let me give you 30 seconds on function, let me give you 30 seconds on function, let me give you 30 seconds on it. I told you the enormity of how many it. I told you the enormity of how many it. I told you the enormity of how many are in there. Think of the function as are in there. Think of the function as are in there. Think of the function as not on or off. Think of it as not on or off. Think of it as not on or off. Think of it as percentage. Let's say normal is 95% percentage. Let's say normal is 95% percentage. Let's say normal is 95% energy output. Now you can heal, now you energy output. Now you can heal, now you energy output. Now you can heal, now you can walk, now you can do everything you can walk, now you can do everything you can walk, now you can do everything you want to do and you feel good in the want to do and you feel good in the want to do and you feel good in the morning and sleep well and so forth and morning and sleep well and so forth and morning and sleep well and so forth and so on. You get an acute problem like so on. You get an acute problem like so on. You get an acute problem like strep throat that may drop to about 80%. strep throat that may drop to about 80%. strep throat that may drop to about 80%. you feel terrible. That resolves with you feel terrible. That resolves with you feel terrible. That resolves with antibiotics, whatever, and all of a antibiotics, whatever, and all of a antibiotics, whatever, and all of a sudden you're back up to the 95%. But sudden you're back up to the 95%. But sudden you're back up to the 95%. But when you start getting chronic when you start getting chronic when you start getting chronic illnesses, things that last more than illnesses, things that last more than illnesses, things that last more than three months, that percentage slowly three months, that percentage slowly three months, that percentage slowly drops with each thing that is added to drops with each thing that is added to drops with each thing that is added to it. So, let's say it gets down to about it. So, let's say it gets down to about it. So, let's say it gets down to about 75%. Now, you don't have the energy you 75%. Now, you don't have the energy you 75%. Now, you don't have the energy you used to have. Okay? You're still you're used to have. Okay? You're still you're used to have. Okay? You're still you're still sitting up looking at me, but still sitting up looking at me, but still sitting up looking at me, but you'll sit there and say, "I'm just you'll sit there and say, "I'm just you'll sit there and say, "I'm just getting old." Okay, now comes COVID and getting old." Okay, now comes COVID and getting old." Okay, now comes COVID and the vaccinations with something called the vaccinations with something called the vaccinations with something called the spike protein which is the thing the spike protein which is the thing the spike protein which is the thing that injures you and that directly that injures you and that directly that injures you and that directly affects the mitochondrial function affects the mitochondrial function affects the mitochondrial function dropping it from that 75 to about 55 and dropping it from that 75 to about 55 and dropping it from that 75 to about 55 and the and long COVID is people who have the and long COVID is people who have the and long COVID is people who have not been able to resolve from that not not been able to resolve from that not not been able to resolve from that not just the virus but the dysfunction has just the virus but the dysfunction has just the virus but the dysfunction has happened from the virus they have to happened from the virus they have to happened from the virus they have to detox from that mitochondrial detox from that mitochondrial detox from that mitochondrial output. output. output. You can live with 50% output. That You can live with 50% output. That You can live with 50% output. That doesn't mean you're going to be able to doesn't mean you're going to be able to doesn't mean you're going to be able to do your activities. You're going to have do your activities. You're going to have do your activities. You're going to have the same energy. And since it's so long the same energy. And since it's so long the same energy. And since it's so long term, you start assigning it to other term, you start assigning it to other term, you start assigning it to other things or somebody's going to tell you things or somebody's going to tell you things or somebody's going to tell you it's in your head. it's in your head. it's in your head. The body's very good at delegating The body's very good at delegating The body's very good at delegating fortunately and unfortunately. So when fortunately and unfortunately. So when fortunately and unfortunately. So when you talk about terrain therapy and you you talk about terrain therapy and you you talk about terrain therapy and you know how a lot of physicians and the know how a lot of physicians and the know how a lot of physicians and the foundation of medicine is focused on foundation of medicine is focused on foundation of medicine is focused on treating symptoms, what would you say is treating symptoms, what would you say is treating symptoms, what would you say is the biggest problem in healthcare today? the biggest problem in healthcare today? the biggest problem in healthcare today? The biggest problem in healthcare today The biggest problem in healthcare today The biggest problem in healthcare today is is um twofold. Well, the namefold is is is um twofold. Well, the namefold is is is um twofold. Well, the namefold is sometimes you call it medical sometimes you call it medical sometimes you call it medical gaslighting. Okay. And essentially gaslighting. Okay. And essentially gaslighting. Okay. And essentially because because because Let let me call a spade a spade. Let let me call a spade a spade. Let let me call a spade a spade. We've been We've been We've been the physicians have been conditioned the physicians have been conditioned the physicians have been conditioned over time by their training. They're not over time by their training. They're not over time by their training. They're not stupid and they care but by their stupid and they care but by their stupid and they care but by their training they were taught very training they were taught very training they were taught very constantly and that I you have to depend constantly and that I you have to depend constantly and that I you have to depend on these tests to make your diagnosis on these tests to make your diagnosis on these tests to make your diagnosis for you which is not true. Okay. In the for you which is not true. Okay. In the for you which is not true. Okay. In the old days, if you will, if you went to old days, if you will, if you went to old days, if you will, if you went to your family doctor and you had you were your family doctor and you had you were your family doctor and you had you were losing your hair and you're wearing a losing your hair and you're wearing a losing your hair and you're wearing a jumper or a sweater and it's 95 degrees jumper or a sweater and it's 95 degrees jumper or a sweater and it's 95 degrees out, or if you're in England, 37, 38 out, or if you're in England, 37, 38 out, or if you're in England, 37, 38 degrees out, something like that, okay? degrees out, something like that, okay? degrees out, something like that, okay? And you're still cold and you're gaining And you're still cold and you're gaining And you're still cold and you're gaining weight for no reason, your doctor will weight for no reason, your doctor will weight for no reason, your doctor will look at you and say, "You have look at you and say, "You have look at you and say, "You have hypothyroidism, low thyroid function, hypothyroidism, low thyroid function, hypothyroidism, low thyroid function, and start treating you even if you had a and start treating you even if you had a and start treating you even if you had a normal test in your hand." Now, these normal test in your hand." Now, these normal test in your hand." Now, these days, they can't even treat it unless days, they can't even treat it unless days, they can't even treat it unless the test shows it. That doesn't mean the test shows it. That doesn't mean the test shows it. That doesn't mean that you're normal. These tests have that you're normal. These tests have that you're normal. These tests have reference ranges. They're not normal reference ranges. They're not normal reference ranges. They're not normal ranges. They're reference ranges. And ranges. They're reference ranges. And ranges. They're reference ranges. And those don't necessarily those don't necessarily those don't necessarily tell you you're healthy. I'll give you a tell you you're healthy. I'll give you a tell you you're healthy. I'll give you a cute example. You can test for dopamine cute example. You can test for dopamine cute example. You can test for dopamine levels, a neurotransmitter, and the levels, a neurotransmitter, and the levels, a neurotransmitter, and the range is 0 to 190. Does that mean zero range is 0 to 190. Does that mean zero range is 0 to 190. Does that mean zero is good for you having no dopamine? is good for you having no dopamine? is good for you having no dopamine? Okay. I'm serious. And the way they get Okay. I'm serious. And the way they get Okay. I'm serious. And the way they get these the way they get these ranges is these the way they get these ranges is these the way they get these ranges is they do 100,000 tests and and and they they do 100,000 tests and and and they they do 100,000 tests and and and they do a bill curve. do a bill curve. do a bill curve. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, the range and they're these range Well, the range and they're these range Well, the range and they're these range aren't a quote unquote people that are aren't a quote unquote people that are aren't a quote unquote people that are thriving. It's thriving. It's thriving. It's right. Exactly. right. Exactly. right. Exactly. It's on sick people too. And it's just It's on sick people too. And it's just It's on sick people too. And it's just like it makes zero sense. like it makes zero sense. like it makes zero sense. It makes zero sense. But It makes zero sense. But It makes zero sense. But the biggest glitch in medicine in my the biggest glitch in medicine in my the biggest glitch in medicine in my estimation is a lack of taking the estimation is a lack of taking the estimation is a lack of taking the proper history. Okay? Because if you proper history. Okay? Because if you proper history. Okay? Because if you want to know what's wrong with someone, want to know what's wrong with someone, want to know what's wrong with someone, you need to do an in-depth history. This you need to do an in-depth history. This you need to do an in-depth history. This is why, you know, again, in the pre-1970 is why, you know, again, in the pre-1970 is why, you know, again, in the pre-1970 area, you had a family doctor, a GP, the area, you had a family doctor, a GP, the area, you had a family doctor, a GP, the typical doctor who knew you since you typical doctor who knew you since you typical doctor who knew you since you were a baby, knew your family, knew your were a baby, knew your family, knew your were a baby, knew your family, knew your history. We don't have that anymore. So, history. We don't have that anymore. So, history. We don't have that anymore. So, if you But if you learn to sit down, if you But if you learn to sit down, if you But if you learn to sit down, like my history take an hour and a half, like my history take an hour and a half, like my history take an hour and a half, okay? I can do that because I'm not okay? I can do that because I'm not okay? I can do that because I'm not under insurance and stuff like that. under insurance and stuff like that. under insurance and stuff like that. But if I do a history like that and get But if I do a history like that and get But if I do a history like that and get from the time they're inside their mom's from the time they're inside their mom's from the time they're inside their mom's belly all the way till now, I'm going to belly all the way till now, I'm going to belly all the way till now, I'm going to find out what's wrong. Y find out what's wrong. Y find out what's wrong. Y if I learn to listen, if I know, you if I learn to listen, if I know, you if I learn to listen, if I know, you know, what questions to ask and what know, what questions to ask and what know, what questions to ask and what they mean. Um, today the doctors are they mean. Um, today the doctors are they mean. Um, today the doctors are allowed 15 minutes a patient if they're allowed 15 minutes a patient if they're allowed 15 minutes a patient if they're lucky. That's not their fault. That's lucky. That's not their fault. That's lucky. That's not their fault. That's being corporate. The corporations being corporate. The corporations being corporate. The corporations pushing them to that. Okay. They're pushing them to that. Okay. They're pushing them to that. Okay. They're stuck. They're stuck. stuck. They're stuck. stuck. They're stuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. and they're stuck in that All right. and they're stuck in that All right. and they're stuck in that thinking that if it's not if the tests thinking that if it's not if the tests thinking that if it's not if the tests are normal, are normal, are normal, then you don't have what it is that you then you don't have what it is that you then you don't have what it is that you think you have. So, if you have all think you have. So, if you have all think you have. So, if you have all those symptoms of the hypothyroidism those symptoms of the hypothyroidism those symptoms of the hypothyroidism that I just and you don't have a proper that I just and you don't have a proper that I just and you don't have a proper test that says that, then guess what? test that says that, then guess what? test that says that, then guess what? It's not that or it's all in your head. It's not that or it's all in your head. It's not that or it's all in your head. Okay? So, when they get frustrated, they Okay? So, when they get frustrated, they Okay? So, when they get frustrated, they say it must be a psychiatric problem. say it must be a psychiatric problem. say it must be a psychiatric problem. And I think it's twofold or at least And I think it's twofold or at least And I think it's twofold or at least twofold is foundation is twofold is foundation is twofold is foundation is the quality of your life is dictated by the quality of your life is dictated by the quality of your life is dictated by the quality of the questions you ask. So the quality of the questions you ask. So the quality of the questions you ask. So exactly exactly exactly if a doctor doesn't have a time or if a doctor doesn't have a time or if a doctor doesn't have a time or doesn't take the time to ask those doesn't take the time to ask those doesn't take the time to ask those quality questions, they can't even quality questions, they can't even quality questions, they can't even actually run the proper test because actually run the proper test because actually run the proper test because they don't have a foundation to know they don't have a foundation to know they don't have a foundation to know what to test. what to test. what to test. And then on that side of the the medical And then on that side of the the medical And then on that side of the the medical system is system is system is they can't run a full panel. You know, they can't run a full panel. You know, they can't run a full panel. You know, they're running two markers out of out they're running two markers out of out they're running two markers out of out of eight or 12. of eight or 12. of eight or 12. I agree. And you know that's that's you I agree. And you know that's that's you I agree. And you know that's that's you can't without data whether it's through can't without data whether it's through can't without data whether it's through a health questionnaire or actually a a health questionnaire or actually a a health questionnaire or actually a full data of labs full data of labs full data of labs you can't make an intelligent decision. you can't make an intelligent decision. you can't make an intelligent decision. You can't and oh go ahead. You can't and oh go ahead. You can't and oh go ahead. Well and then it's it's it's all in your Well and then it's it's it's all in your Well and then it's it's it's all in your head and part of it might be you know a head and part of it might be you know a head and part of it might be you know a mental distress and emotional. mental distress and emotional. mental distress and emotional. Yes. If you're Yes. If you're Yes. If you're that's the other part that's the other that's the other part that's the other that's the other part that's the other part of terrain that that's the other part of terrain that that's the other part of terrain that that's the other part of terrain that people don't talk part of terrain that people don't talk part of terrain that people don't talk about. They talk about the physical about. They talk about the physical about. They talk about the physical terrain. They don't, you know, like we terrain. They don't, you know, like we terrain. They don't, you know, like we were talking one of the tangents with were talking one of the tangents with were talking one of the tangents with the uh the integrative aspect is, you the uh the integrative aspect is, you the uh the integrative aspect is, you know, there's a lot of integrative know, there's a lot of integrative know, there's a lot of integrative buzziness uh out there, but there's buzziness uh out there, but there's buzziness uh out there, but there's really not many true integrative really not many true integrative really not many true integrative practitioners. So practitioners. So practitioners. So true. Absolutely true. true. Absolutely true. true. Absolutely true. From your definition, you know, you've From your definition, you know, you've From your definition, you know, you've been quote unquote practicing and I call been quote unquote practicing and I call been quote unquote practicing and I call it practice because like you said, you it practice because like you said, you it practice because like you said, you know, you learn from being a nurse and know, you learn from being a nurse and know, you learn from being a nurse and there's limits. You learn from being a there's limits. You learn from being a there's limits. You learn from being a chiropractor, there's limits. And it was chiropractor, there's limits. And it was chiropractor, there's limits. And it was our same journey as well is like finally our same journey as well is like finally our same journey as well is like finally led you into true integrative medicine. led you into true integrative medicine. led you into true integrative medicine. So through your perspective and your So through your perspective and your So through your perspective and your lens what is actually true integrative lens what is actually true integrative lens what is actually true integrative medicine? medicine? medicine? True integrative medicine would be a True integrative medicine would be a True integrative medicine would be a meshing or an agreement or a cooperation meshing or an agreement or a cooperation meshing or an agreement or a cooperation between traditional medicine and let's between traditional medicine and let's between traditional medicine and let's call it non-traditional medicine, call it non-traditional medicine, call it non-traditional medicine, alternative medicine, whatever you'd alternative medicine, whatever you'd alternative medicine, whatever you'd like to call it. Because traditional like to call it. Because traditional like to call it. Because traditional medicine can't cure everything, nor can medicine can't cure everything, nor can medicine can't cure everything, nor can alternative medicine. But together, alternative medicine. But together, alternative medicine. But together, we're going to be looking truly we're going to be looking truly we're going to be looking truly holistically at the body. When I say holistically at the body. When I say holistically at the body. When I say holistically, I don't mean I'm going to holistically, I don't mean I'm going to holistically, I don't mean I'm going to swing a dead chicken over your head or swing a dead chicken over your head or swing a dead chicken over your head or use crystals. What I mean is we have two use crystals. What I mean is we have two use crystals. What I mean is we have two different points of view. different points of view. different points of view. They're a bit on the opposite side, but They're a bit on the opposite side, but They're a bit on the opposite side, but they interact they interact they interact when it comes to symptoms. when it comes to symptoms. when it comes to symptoms. Okay? And I may look at something and Okay? And I may look at something and Okay? And I may look at something and say, well, this dysfunction or this say, well, this dysfunction or this say, well, this dysfunction or this genetic pathway says that they're not genetic pathway says that they're not genetic pathway says that they're not going to recycle glutathione, for going to recycle glutathione, for going to recycle glutathione, for instance. And I'll say be that might instance. And I'll say be that might instance. And I'll say be that might cause mitochondrial problems, but on the cause mitochondrial problems, but on the cause mitochondrial problems, but on the other end, they're having undiagnosed other end, they're having undiagnosed other end, they're having undiagnosed fatigue and the medical doctors all all fatigue and the medical doctors all all fatigue and the medical doctors all all the tests and just everything's sitting the tests and just everything's sitting the tests and just everything's sitting in the reference ranges. If we got in the reference ranges. If we got in the reference ranges. If we got together together together and were able to look at that particular and were able to look at that particular and were able to look at that particular case with a proper history, we could case with a proper history, we could case with a proper history, we could come up with a much better set of come up with a much better set of come up with a much better set of possibilities that are going to be more possibilities that are going to be more possibilities that are going to be more accurate. accurate. accurate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The reason I'm successful what I do, but The reason I'm successful what I do, but The reason I'm successful what I do, but I'm not the first people first person I I'm not the first people first person I I'm not the first people first person I see. I'm usually the 10th or 12th. So, see. I'm usually the 10th or 12th. So, see. I'm usually the 10th or 12th. So, if I listen and find out what happened, if I listen and find out what happened, if I listen and find out what happened, what didn't happen, what worked, what what didn't happen, what worked, what what didn't happen, what worked, what didn't work, and so forth and so on, didn't work, and so forth and so on, didn't work, and so forth and so on, it's kind of easier for me to figure out it's kind of easier for me to figure out it's kind of easier for me to figure out what's left over. Yeah. what's left over. Yeah. what's left over. Yeah. Okay. What hasn't been treated? What Okay. What hasn't been treated? What Okay. What hasn't been treated? What hasn't been considered? So true hasn't been considered? So true hasn't been considered? So true integrative medicine would be our two integrative medicine would be our two integrative medicine would be our two professions professions professions mesh in or to have one person who is mesh in or to have one person who is mesh in or to have one person who is very well trained in both areas. very well trained in both areas. very well trained in both areas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And um knows the significance of things. And um knows the significance of things. And um knows the significance of things. Okay. And never ever ever ever ever says Okay. And never ever ever ever ever says Okay. And never ever ever ever ever says the words that can't happen. the words that can't happen. the words that can't happen. Well, that's one of my courses. Well, that's one of my courses. Well, that's one of my courses. A balanced perspective. You know, A balanced perspective. You know, A balanced perspective. You know, exactly. You talk about gathering data exactly. You talk about gathering data exactly. You talk about gathering data to make the best decision for the to make the best decision for the to make the best decision for the client, right? Or even yourself. client, right? Or even yourself. client, right? Or even yourself. You know, it's if you're only looking at You know, it's if you're only looking at You know, it's if you're only looking at through one lens through traditional or through one lens through traditional or through one lens through traditional or one lens through non-traditional, one lens through non-traditional, one lens through non-traditional, you're missing half of the information, you're missing half of the information, you're missing half of the information, half of the possibilities, half of the possibilities, half of the possibilities, which doesn't make any sense when you which doesn't make any sense when you which doesn't make any sense when you step back and you think about it. step back and you think about it. step back and you think about it. So to be whole is to have the awareness So to be whole is to have the awareness So to be whole is to have the awareness of both sides. of both sides. of both sides. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And When we do, magic can happen. And When we do, magic can happen. And When we do, magic can happen. Exactly. You know, that's why people who Exactly. You know, that's why people who Exactly. You know, that's why people who come see me or or people like me, you come see me or or people like me, you come see me or or people like me, you know, will get much better results know, will get much better results know, will get much better results because we look at it and say, hm, because we look at it and say, hm, because we look at it and say, hm, that's not working. You know, I wonder that's not working. You know, I wonder that's not working. You know, I wonder why or they say something and instead of why or they say something and instead of why or they say something and instead of saying that can't happen, I sit s I saying that can't happen, I sit s I saying that can't happen, I sit s I wonder why that happened. Let me go wonder why that happened. Let me go wonder why that happened. Let me go back. Let me go let me reexamine this back. Let me go let me reexamine this back. Let me go let me reexamine this stuff. stuff. stuff. Sadly, the the traditional medical Sadly, the the traditional medical Sadly, the the traditional medical practice doesn't lend itself to taking a practice doesn't lend itself to taking a practice doesn't lend itself to taking a long history. So, you sit in the long history. So, you sit in the long history. So, you sit in the doctor's office, you fill out a history doctor's office, you fill out a history doctor's office, you fill out a history form. You go and see the doctor. Nobody form. You go and see the doctor. Nobody form. You go and see the doctor. Nobody really reads that or they send a really reads that or they send a really reads that or they send a physician extender in. Now, if you're physician extender in. Now, if you're physician extender in. Now, if you're talking about a physician assistant, a talking about a physician assistant, a talking about a physician assistant, a nurse practitioner, it's usually a lot nurse practitioner, it's usually a lot nurse practitioner, it's usually a lot better, but a lot of times it's an better, but a lot of times it's an better, but a lot of times it's an assistant looking at it. Okay? The only assistant looking at it. Okay? The only assistant looking at it. Okay? The only person who should take a history is a person who should take a history is a person who should take a history is a physician himself or herself because physician himself or herself because physician himself or herself because they have the training to understand they have the training to understand they have the training to understand what the possibilities are based on what what the possibilities are based on what what the possibilities are based on what that patient said and then ask the that patient said and then ask the that patient said and then ask the proper questions. You sit there and go, proper questions. You sit there and go, proper questions. You sit there and go, "Okay, well, gee, if this all started "Okay, well, gee, if this all started "Okay, well, gee, if this all started when you were um when you were in fourth when you were um when you were in fourth when you were um when you were in fourth grade and your mental state got, you grade and your mental state got, you grade and your mental state got, you know, you had ADD and then it got worse know, you had ADD and then it got worse know, you had ADD and then it got worse and now you've got a gorophobia and and now you've got a gorophobia and and now you've got a gorophobia and you're 45 years old and you've got so you're 45 years old and you've got so you're 45 years old and you've got so much anxiety you can't leave the house. much anxiety you can't leave the house. much anxiety you can't leave the house. Let me go back to there and what Let me go back to there and what Let me go back to there and what happened, you know, and then they tell happened, you know, and then they tell happened, you know, and then they tell you something like, "Gee, I lost my you something like, "Gee, I lost my you something like, "Gee, I lost my taste for meat." That just as a side taste for meat." That just as a side taste for meat." That just as a side comment, why don't you get them to keep comment, why don't you get them to keep comment, why don't you get them to keep nursing? You sit there and go, "Do you nursing? You sit there and go, "Do you nursing? You sit there and go, "Do you guys do a lot of camping?" They're like, guys do a lot of camping?" They're like, guys do a lot of camping?" They're like, "Yeah, we always went camping." Well, "Yeah, we always went camping." Well, "Yeah, we always went camping." Well, there's a certain kind of lime disease there's a certain kind of lime disease there's a certain kind of lime disease that causes that particular symptom. that causes that particular symptom. that causes that particular symptom. Okay. Aphagel syndrome, it's called, Okay. Aphagel syndrome, it's called, Okay. Aphagel syndrome, it's called, right? Well, guess what? This poor right? Well, guess what? This poor right? Well, guess what? This poor person was suffering from neural lime, person was suffering from neural lime, person was suffering from neural lime, which urgently created more dysfunction. which urgently created more dysfunction. which urgently created more dysfunction. Now, he can't function. I started with Now, he can't function. I started with Now, he can't function. I started with And now and nowadays it's not even just And now and nowadays it's not even just And now and nowadays it's not even just from ticks, you know. You can get it from ticks, you know. You can get it from ticks, you know. You can get it from mosquitoes. You can get it from from mosquitoes. You can get it from from mosquitoes. You can get it from Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. spiders, you can get it from anything. spiders, you can get it from anything. spiders, you can get it from anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. But the fact is that Yeah. It's true. But the fact is that Yeah. It's true. But the fact is that you go back and all of a sudden the you go back and all of a sudden the you go back and all of a sudden the possibility opens up. Then if you want, possibility opens up. Then if you want, possibility opens up. Then if you want, you can test for it and you find out you can test for it and you find out you can test for it and you find out it's there. Okay. You know, I had a it's there. Okay. You know, I had a it's there. Okay. You know, I had a young lady who was eight years old and young lady who was eight years old and young lady who was eight years old and she had multiple hallucinations, she had multiple hallucinations, she had multiple hallucinations, alactory, auditory, and visual. And they alactory, auditory, and visual. And they alactory, auditory, and visual. And they were going to put her on um were going to put her on um were going to put her on um antiscychotics. Okay. Eight years old. antiscychotics. Okay. Eight years old. antiscychotics. Okay. Eight years old. That made me angry. You know, I I did a That made me angry. You know, I I did a That made me angry. You know, I I did a good history and then did the testing. good history and then did the testing. good history and then did the testing. She had Lyme disease, anoplasma, She had Lyme disease, anoplasma, She had Lyme disease, anoplasma, candida, and HHV6, which is a herpes in candida, and HHV6, which is a herpes in candida, and HHV6, which is a herpes in the brain. I treated those things. In the brain. I treated those things. In the brain. I treated those things. In about six weeks, she was fine. Now, that about six weeks, she was fine. Now, that about six weeks, she was fine. Now, that was a while ago. She's she now graduated was a while ago. She's she now graduated was a while ago. She's she now graduated college. She graduated um she gradu from college. She graduated um she gradu from college. She graduated um she gradu from uh graduate school with a degree in um uh graduate school with a degree in um uh graduate school with a degree in um nutrition degree in nutrition and she's nutrition degree in nutrition and she's nutrition degree in nutrition and she's going to medical school next year. going to medical school next year. going to medical school next year. Nice. Nice. Nice. Yeah, she's a beautiful lady. You know, Yeah, she's a beautiful lady. You know, Yeah, she's a beautiful lady. You know, every time every time every time they keep in contact with me. Every time they keep in contact with me. Every time they keep in contact with me. Every time I get a card about what she's done, I I get a card about what she's done, I I get a card about what she's done, I start crying, you know, because what was start crying, you know, because what was start crying, you know, because what was going to happen then was she was going going to happen then was she was going going to happen then was she was going to be a disabled person because they to be a disabled person because they to be a disabled person because they didn't believe that there were root didn't believe that there were root didn't believe that there were root causes for that. causes for that. causes for that. Okay? And even if they treated that, Okay? And even if they treated that, Okay? And even if they treated that, they wouldn't have treated the tree. But they wouldn't have treated the tree. But they wouldn't have treated the tree. But that's why, you know, a good history that's why, you know, a good history that's why, you know, a good history tells you what's going on. Uh, but only tells you what's going on. Uh, but only tells you what's going on. Uh, but only the physician level person should do the physician level person should do the physician level person should do that because they're not going to pick that because they're not going to pick that because they're not going to pick up that what happened here. I wonder up that what happened here. I wonder up that what happened here. I wonder what could have happened. what could have happened. what could have happened. It's it's the little it's the little It's it's the little it's the little It's it's the little it's the little things that nobody thinks important that things that nobody thinks important that things that nobody thinks important that is pay for them. is pay for them. is pay for them. Yep. 100%. Yep. 100%. Yep. 100%. That's where that's where the pearls That's where that's where the pearls That's where that's where the pearls are. are. are. Yep. So my my wife and I had a really Yep. So my my wife and I had a really Yep. So my my wife and I had a really big practice in Jersey about 10 years big practice in Jersey about 10 years big practice in Jersey about 10 years ago and we did a questionnaire and it ago and we did a questionnaire and it ago and we did a questionnaire and it was what did you to our clients but we was what did you to our clients but we was what did you to our clients but we sent it out to different communities sent it out to different communities sent it out to different communities etc. And what they thought was the most etc. And what they thought was the most etc. And what they thought was the most important thing in important thing in important thing in their doctor and we were actually their doctor and we were actually their doctor and we were actually surprised not surprised but surprised surprised not surprised but surprised surprised not surprised but surprised about the actual result. about the actual result. about the actual result. Trust. Trust was the number one thing Trust. Trust was the number one thing Trust. Trust was the number one thing that they wanted that they wanted that they wanted absolutely absolutely absolutely with their doctor. with their doctor. with their doctor. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So when I say that, what comes to mind? Well, trust is not accuracy in Well, trust is not accuracy in Well, trust is not accuracy in diagnosis. Trust is you've listened to diagnosis. Trust is you've listened to diagnosis. Trust is you've listened to me. Okay? You've listened to me and me. Okay? You've listened to me and me. Okay? You've listened to me and you've acknowledged that what I have is you've acknowledged that what I have is you've acknowledged that what I have is real. Okay? And then if you know how to real. Okay? And then if you know how to real. Okay? And then if you know how to talk to people and you've done your talk to people and you've done your talk to people and you've done your investigation and they can follow along investigation and they can follow along investigation and they can follow along and you come up with g I believe it's and you come up with g I believe it's and you come up with g I believe it's this because of this and this and this this because of this and this and this this because of this and this and this is how we're going to go about is how we're going to go about is how we're going to go about fixing it and this is and this is how fixing it and this is and this is how fixing it and this is and this is how and why not using technical language I and why not using technical language I and why not using technical language I mean I do my lectures all the time I mean I do my lectures all the time I mean I do my lectures all the time I talk to people in cartoons and and talk to people in cartoons and and talk to people in cartoons and and examples you know it's not important examples you know it's not important examples you know it's not important that they understand the the nuances of that they understand the the nuances of that they understand the the nuances of something not because I'm trying to hide something not because I'm trying to hide something not because I'm trying to hide it from them and they're not going to be it from them and they're not going to be it from them and they're not going to be impressed that I can pronounce impressed that I can pronounce impressed that I can pronounce polyelabic terms doesn't matter what polyelabic terms doesn't matter what polyelabic terms doesn't matter what matters is if I can show you or tell you matters is if I can show you or tell you matters is if I can show you or tell you what's happening and then intuitively what's happening and then intuitively what's happening and then intuitively you say that person's right. Okay, this you say that person's right. Okay, this you say that person's right. Okay, this this sounds good. This feels this feels this sounds good. This feels this feels this sounds good. This feels this feels good. Okay. Well, that's where trust good. Okay. Well, that's where trust good. Okay. Well, that's where trust comes in. And when someone has trust, comes in. And when someone has trust, comes in. And when someone has trust, they're going to allow themselves to they're going to allow themselves to they're going to allow themselves to heal. heal. heal. When somebody's nervous and scared, they When somebody's nervous and scared, they When somebody's nervous and scared, they don't know what's going on and you're don't know what's going on and you're don't know what's going on and you're not giving them a good answer or you've not giving them a good answer or you've not giving them a good answer or you've worked with them and things aren't worked with them and things aren't worked with them and things aren't working. You just show me your shoulder working. You just show me your shoulder working. You just show me your shoulder and say, "It must be in your head." as and say, "It must be in your head." as and say, "It must be in your head." as opposed to stepping back all the time opposed to stepping back all the time opposed to stepping back all the time and re-evaluating, and re-evaluating, and re-evaluating, you know, and they see you doing the you know, and they see you doing the you know, and they see you doing the work, you know, they don't sit there and work, you know, they don't sit there and work, you know, they don't sit there and say, "Oh, he's stupid." No, they say, say, "Oh, he's stupid." No, they say, say, "Oh, he's stupid." No, they say, "Wow," or if I bring something to a "Wow," or if I bring something to a "Wow," or if I bring something to a group that I'm in saying, "Listen, I'm group that I'm in saying, "Listen, I'm group that I'm in saying, "Listen, I'm going to talk to my friends about this." going to talk to my friends about this." going to talk to my friends about this." They don't sit there and say, "You must They don't sit there and say, "You must They don't sit there and say, "You must be dumb." They sit there, he cares be dumb." They sit there, he cares be dumb." They sit there, he cares enough to bring this to his friends to enough to bring this to his friends to enough to bring this to his friends to see what's going on. They don't get see what's going on. They don't get see what's going on. They don't get charged for that. It's just that, you charged for that. It's just that, you charged for that. It's just that, you know, I bring it to a, you know, a think know, I bring it to a, you know, a think know, I bring it to a, you know, a think tank, if you will. tank, if you will. tank, if you will. Okay. When I when I get stuck, Okay. When I when I get stuck, Okay. When I when I get stuck, well, guess what? They'll sit there and well, guess what? They'll sit there and well, guess what? They'll sit there and say, "Okay, He's the guy we want to say, "Okay, He's the guy we want to say, "Okay, He's the guy we want to follow. And that's not that you could be follow. And that's not that you could be follow. And that's not that you could be an ego thing for somebody, but if it's an ego thing for somebody, but if it's an ego thing for somebody, but if it's if it's not an ego thing, you sit there if it's not an ego thing, you sit there if it's not an ego thing, you sit there and say, "Okay, if they trust you, and say, "Okay, if they trust you, and say, "Okay, if they trust you, times, they will simply calm and allow. times, they will simply calm and allow. times, they will simply calm and allow. Why is this true?" And this is another Why is this true?" And this is another Why is this true?" And this is another 45 seconds. In 2013, uh Dr. Dr. Robert 45 seconds. In 2013, uh Dr. Dr. Robert 45 seconds. In 2013, uh Dr. Dr. Robert Navio, MD, PhD, wrote a paper on Navio, MD, PhD, wrote a paper on Navio, MD, PhD, wrote a paper on something called the cell danger something called the cell danger something called the cell danger response. What he did is scientifically response. What he did is scientifically response. What he did is scientifically quantify everything dangers the cell and quantify everything dangers the cell and quantify everything dangers the cell and they're divided into toxins as you might they're divided into toxins as you might they're divided into toxins as you might expect, microbes, viruses, parasites, expect, microbes, viruses, parasites, expect, microbes, viruses, parasites, and so forth. And on a scientific basis, and so forth. And on a scientific basis, and so forth. And on a scientific basis, all the psychological, emotional, and all the psychological, emotional, and all the psychological, emotional, and spiritual traumas that you experience spiritual traumas that you experience spiritual traumas that you experience will injure the cell in equal measure as will injure the cell in equal measure as will injure the cell in equal measure as microbes and toxins. microbes and toxins. microbes and toxins. Yep. Yep. Yep. 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That's going to injure yourselves just as much going to injure yourselves just as much going to injure yourselves just as much as if you get chronic Lyme disease, if as if you get chronic Lyme disease, if as if you get chronic Lyme disease, if you get, you know, um, if you get you get, you know, um, if you get you get, you know, um, if you get exposed to a, you know, exposed to a, you know, exposed to a, you know, I mean, relationship stress, financial I mean, relationship stress, financial I mean, relationship stress, financial stress, the stress, the stress, the the neuroimmune system, it's it's all the neuroimmune system, it's it's all the neuroimmune system, it's it's all danger. danger. danger. Yeah, it all is. Now the whole thing Yeah, it all is. Now the whole thing Yeah, it all is. Now the whole thing about cell danger response is if in the about cell danger response is if in the about cell danger response is if in the acute condition it will shut down the acute condition it will shut down the acute condition it will shut down the cells essentially to kill whatever is cells essentially to kill whatever is cells essentially to kill whatever is attacking it. But then we have these attacking it. But then we have these attacking it. But then we have these systems that will restart it. So when systems that will restart it. So when systems that will restart it. So when you have an acute problem like um strep you have an acute problem like um strep you have an acute problem like um strep throat, you get strep throat, you feel throat, you get strep throat, you feel throat, you get strep throat, you feel terrible, your doctor gives you some terrible, your doctor gives you some terrible, your doctor gives you some antibiotics, you start feeling a little antibiotics, you start feeling a little antibiotics, you start feeling a little bit better, but then there's the day bit better, but then there's the day bit better, but then there's the day where you turn the corner and get better where you turn the corner and get better where you turn the corner and get better rapidly. That's when the acute cell rapidly. That's when the acute cell rapidly. That's when the acute cell danger response resolves. you go back up danger response resolves. you go back up danger response resolves. you go back up to that high level mitochondrial to that high level mitochondrial to that high level mitochondrial function when it's chronic function when it's chronic function when it's chronic which means you have either multiple which means you have either multiple which means you have either multiple inputs or the same input multiple times inputs or the same input multiple times inputs or the same input multiple times over time that cellular dysfunction over time that cellular dysfunction over time that cellular dysfunction tends to remain and that includes not tends to remain and that includes not tends to remain and that includes not you know holding on to heavy metals I you know holding on to heavy metals I you know holding on to heavy metals I mean the nuances of it are important but mean the nuances of it are important but mean the nuances of it are important but for the concept you start dropping your for the concept you start dropping your for the concept you start dropping your immune function because your immune function because your immune function because your mitochondrial function overall is mitochondrial function overall is mitochondrial function overall is dropping that opens you up other things, dropping that opens you up other things, dropping that opens you up other things, okay? And you start getting okay? And you start getting okay? And you start getting progressively sick. Well, then you start progressively sick. Well, then you start progressively sick. Well, then you start expressing differently, start getting expressing differently, start getting expressing differently, start getting chronic inflammation, and that's where chronic inflammation, and that's where chronic inflammation, and that's where things like autoimmune problems come things like autoimmune problems come things like autoimmune problems come from. And most of the illnesses, if you from. And most of the illnesses, if you from. And most of the illnesses, if you look up chronic inflammation, what does look up chronic inflammation, what does look up chronic inflammation, what does most of the illnesses we face on a most of the illnesses we face on a most of the illnesses we face on a chronic basis are caused by chronic chronic basis are caused by chronic chronic basis are caused by chronic inflammation slash oxidative stress, inflammation slash oxidative stress, inflammation slash oxidative stress, which origin is the cell danger which origin is the cell danger which origin is the cell danger response. And if you know what caused response. And if you know what caused response. And if you know what caused it, you know what's injuring the cell. it, you know what's injuring the cell. it, you know what's injuring the cell. So, if you can take care of what's So, if you can take care of what's So, if you can take care of what's causing it and heal the cells, you'll causing it and heal the cells, you'll causing it and heal the cells, you'll take care of all the dashing effects. take care of all the dashing effects. take care of all the dashing effects. So, if one listens to this and they're So, if one listens to this and they're So, if one listens to this and they're like, "Crap, I probably got a lot of like, "Crap, I probably got a lot of like, "Crap, I probably got a lot of work to do." We're going to start out with the simple We're going to start out with the simple We're going to start out with the simple version of, you know, thinking about version of, you know, thinking about version of, you know, thinking about terrain theory, thinking about, you terrain theory, thinking about, you terrain theory, thinking about, you know, cellular know, cellular know, cellular dysfunction, detoxing that intracellular dysfunction, detoxing that intracellular dysfunction, detoxing that intracellular and even part of the extracellular and even part of the extracellular and even part of the extracellular matrix. What would be some simple action matrix. What would be some simple action matrix. What would be some simple action steps that people listening can actually steps that people listening can actually steps that people listening can actually start taking to make a big difference? start taking to make a big difference? start taking to make a big difference? Here's what I found that actually works Here's what I found that actually works Here's what I found that actually works very well. Uh it's been my experience very well. Uh it's been my experience very well. Uh it's been my experience that your the way your bio way your that your the way your bio way your that your the way your bio way your genes work biochemistry is you convert genes work biochemistry is you convert genes work biochemistry is you convert things using enzymes. Okay, in these things using enzymes. Okay, in these things using enzymes. Okay, in these pathways okay they take one thing turn pathways okay they take one thing turn pathways okay they take one thing turn it into another either so that body can it into another either so that body can it into another either so that body can excrete it or use it. Those enzymes need excrete it or use it. Those enzymes need excrete it or use it. Those enzymes need co-actors which are vitamins and co-actors which are vitamins and co-actors which are vitamins and minerals. Most people, well, we live in a mineral Most people, well, we live in a mineral Most people, well, we live in a mineral deficient society and and the more deficient society and and the more deficient society and and the more processed our foods are, the less you're processed our foods are, the less you're processed our foods are, the less you're going to get anything else. So, the going to get anything else. So, the going to get anything else. So, the thing that I have found that that makes thing that I have found that that makes thing that I have found that that makes the biggest difference in most people is the biggest difference in most people is the biggest difference in most people is the use of a good multivitamin, the use of a good multivitamin, the use of a good multivitamin, multi-mineral. Here's where the problem multi-mineral. Here's where the problem multi-mineral. Here's where the problem is. What kind? is. What kind? is. What kind? So, generally speaking, look for the So, generally speaking, look for the So, generally speaking, look for the word liposomaal. L I P O S O M A L. Why? word liposomaal. L I P O S O M A L. Why? word liposomaal. L I P O S O M A L. Why? Because those are encased in a little Because those are encased in a little Because those are encased in a little fat thingy, okay? That gets directly fat thingy, okay? That gets directly fat thingy, okay? That gets directly into the cells. into the cells. into the cells. And I have found the biggest changes And I have found the biggest changes And I have found the biggest changes when I put somebody on liposomaal when I put somebody on liposomaal when I put somebody on liposomaal vitamins, which you can get very easily vitamins, which you can get very easily vitamins, which you can get very easily almost anywhere in the world. Just type almost anywhere in the world. Just type almost anywhere in the world. Just type in liposomaal multivitamin, you're going in liposomaal multivitamin, you're going in liposomaal multivitamin, you're going to see it. And it's not as expensive as to see it. And it's not as expensive as to see it. And it's not as expensive as it used to be because now multiple it used to be because now multiple it used to be because now multiple people are doing it. people are doing it. people are doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Making it. And I know the scientists Making it. And I know the scientists Making it. And I know the scientists actually created the process to turn the actually created the process to turn the actually created the process to turn the liquid liquid liquid liposal vitamins into a powder that liposal vitamins into a powder that liposal vitamins into a powder that actually works. actually works. actually works. What's going to happen is it'll get What's going to happen is it'll get What's going to happen is it'll get right through this right through the right through this right through the right through this right through the mucous membranes into the cells. What's mucous membranes into the cells. What's mucous membranes into the cells. What's the difference? Well, you take a regular the difference? Well, you take a regular the difference? Well, you take a regular multivitamin, okay, it gets into the multivitamin, okay, it gets into the multivitamin, okay, it gets into the stomach and it's got to break down. It's stomach and it's got to break down. It's stomach and it's got to break down. It's going to get absorbed, go through the going to get absorbed, go through the going to get absorbed, go through the liver a couple times, get released in liver a couple times, get released in liver a couple times, get released in circulation, then find its way to the circulation, then find its way to the circulation, then find its way to the cells. A lot of choke points there. cells. A lot of choke points there. cells. A lot of choke points there. Plus, when you take a medication, Plus, when you take a medication, Plus, when you take a medication, those companies are forced to do those companies are forced to do those companies are forced to do bioavailability studies. So, you know, bioavailability studies. So, you know, bioavailability studies. So, you know, when you take that tablet, it's getting when you take that tablet, it's getting when you take that tablet, it's getting in. Supplement companies aren't a good in. Supplement companies aren't a good in. Supplement companies aren't a good example. example. example. Not so much. Not so much. Not so much. All right. So, they can make a first of All right. So, they can make a first of All right. So, they can make a first of all, it's the type of ingredient. So, all, it's the type of ingredient. So, all, it's the type of ingredient. So, they could say, "Hey, we have x amount they could say, "Hey, we have x amount they could say, "Hey, we have x amount of iron." And they could be scraping of iron." And they could be scraping of iron." And they could be scraping rust in there and they wouldn't be rust in there and they wouldn't be rust in there and they wouldn't be lying. That's an extreme example. Okay. lying. That's an extreme example. Okay. lying. That's an extreme example. Okay. But not only the forms of the vitamins, But not only the forms of the vitamins, But not only the forms of the vitamins, but for tablets, the binders and but for tablets, the binders and but for tablets, the binders and whatever to the point that you can't whatever to the point that you can't whatever to the point that you can't really absorb it unless you even if you really absorb it unless you even if you really absorb it unless you even if you have a perfect circulation, perfect have a perfect circulation, perfect have a perfect circulation, perfect gastrointestinal function, okay? And the gastrointestinal function, okay? And the gastrointestinal function, okay? And the forms of the vitamins, women are being forms of the vitamins, women are being forms of the vitamins, women are being told they need calcium, which we do, told they need calcium, which we do, told they need calcium, which we do, okay? But they're being given calcium okay? But they're being given calcium okay? But they're being given calcium carbonate. That's the majority of what carbonate. That's the majority of what carbonate. That's the majority of what you take. Well, calcium carbonate when you take. Well, calcium carbonate when you take. Well, calcium carbonate when it hits the hydrochloric acid in your it hits the hydrochloric acid in your it hits the hydrochloric acid in your stomach becomes the carbonate ions and stomach becomes the carbonate ions and stomach becomes the carbonate ions and acid and calcium chloride which is a acid and calcium chloride which is a acid and calcium chloride which is a rock. It's limestone. So guess what? rock. It's limestone. So guess what? rock. It's limestone. So guess what? It's creates a nice strong molecule of It's creates a nice strong molecule of It's creates a nice strong molecule of calcium chloride and it drops out. calcium chloride and it drops out. calcium chloride and it drops out. You're not getting ionic calcium that You're not getting ionic calcium that You're not getting ionic calcium that needs to be absorbed. You're not getting needs to be absorbed. You're not getting needs to be absorbed. You're not getting calcium from that. You may get a little calcium from that. You may get a little calcium from that. You may get a little bit of course but not as much as if you bit of course but not as much as if you bit of course but not as much as if you use a different type of calcium. Okay? use a different type of calcium. Okay? use a different type of calcium. Okay? And this is where it gets a little And this is where it gets a little And this is where it gets a little nutty. If you use liposomaal vitamins, nutty. If you use liposomaal vitamins, nutty. If you use liposomaal vitamins, you don't have to worry about all that. you don't have to worry about all that. you don't have to worry about all that. It's going to get into your cells. So It's going to get into your cells. So It's going to get into your cells. So then your biochemistry is going to work then your biochemistry is going to work then your biochemistry is going to work a bit bit better, okay? And you might a bit bit better, okay? And you might a bit bit better, okay? And you might start feeling better. Very simple. start feeling better. Very simple. start feeling better. Very simple. That's that's the main thing That's that's the main thing That's that's the main thing myself. myself. myself. And I think you I mean you talked a lot And I think you I mean you talked a lot And I think you I mean you talked a lot about the vitamins, but I just as about the vitamins, but I just as about the vitamins, but I just as important is the liposal minerals. I important is the liposal minerals. I important is the liposal minerals. I mean your body is a battery. talk about mean your body is a battery. talk about mean your body is a battery. talk about the exact the cells and the mitochondria the exact the cells and the mitochondria the exact the cells and the mitochondria its power it's its charge and minerals its power it's its charge and minerals its power it's its charge and minerals is the foundation of allowing that is the foundation of allowing that is the foundation of allowing that charge to actually be expressed and charge to actually be expressed and charge to actually be expressed and transferred. transferred. transferred. Another big consideration of that is Another big consideration of that is Another big consideration of that is minerals are also buffers. minerals are also buffers. minerals are also buffers. Our bodies are are supposed to work in a Our bodies are are supposed to work in a Our bodies are are supposed to work in a very short range of acid and base. Okay, very short range of acid and base. Okay, very short range of acid and base. Okay, your pH and we tend to get more on the your pH and we tend to get more on the your pH and we tend to get more on the acidic side. acidic side. acidic side. The reason that everybody talks about The reason that everybody talks about The reason that everybody talks about alkaline, you have to be alkaline, you alkaline, you have to be alkaline, you alkaline, you have to be alkaline, you have to have to have to The reason that is true is because your The reason that is true is because your The reason that is true is because your entire energy system depends on the pH. entire energy system depends on the pH. entire energy system depends on the pH. So an example of when you break down So an example of when you break down So an example of when you break down glucose goes into the sink or KB cycle glucose goes into the sink or KB cycle glucose goes into the sink or KB cycle then it goes in the mitochondria. The then it goes in the mitochondria. The then it goes in the mitochondria. The results of the glucose really don't get results of the glucose really don't get results of the glucose really don't get into the next cycle if you're acidic. into the next cycle if you're acidic. into the next cycle if you're acidic. Slows it down really bad. Okay. One of Slows it down really bad. Okay. One of Slows it down really bad. Okay. One of the major reasons your mitochondria the major reasons your mitochondria the major reasons your mitochondria doesn't work is it have doesn't have doesn't work is it have doesn't have doesn't work is it have doesn't have what it needs to work. Okay. So minerals what it needs to work. Okay. So minerals what it needs to work. Okay. So minerals tend to be buffers. The biggest tend to be buffers. The biggest tend to be buffers. The biggest difficulty people is trying to do this difficulty people is trying to do this difficulty people is trying to do this thing peace meal. Okay? If you try and thing peace meal. Okay? If you try and thing peace meal. Okay? If you try and take sodium bicarbonate, that's not take sodium bicarbonate, that's not take sodium bicarbonate, that's not going to give you much going on. Okay? going to give you much going on. Okay? going to give you much going on. Okay? If you're taking a good multivitamin, If you're taking a good multivitamin, If you're taking a good multivitamin, multi-mineral liposomaal, which I multi-mineral liposomaal, which I multi-mineral liposomaal, which I usually, as you said, I usually usually, as you said, I usually usually, as you said, I usually prescribe extra liposomaal minerals, prescribe extra liposomaal minerals, prescribe extra liposomaal minerals, okay? You're not only going to get your okay? You're not only going to get your okay? You're not only going to get your biochemistry working, but you're going biochemistry working, but you're going biochemistry working, but you're going to start balancing your pH because to start balancing your pH because to start balancing your pH because anybody who's ill has got a more acidic anybody who's ill has got a more acidic anybody who's ill has got a more acidic pH. you know, on live blood cell pH. you know, on live blood cell pH. you know, on live blood cell analysis, you can see it by the clumping analysis, you can see it by the clumping analysis, you can see it by the clumping of the cells and so forth. of the cells and so forth. of the cells and so forth. And minerals also act as binders, too. And minerals also act as binders, too. And minerals also act as binders, too. So, I mean, So, I mean, So, I mean, you're getting tons of benefits from you're getting tons of benefits from you're getting tons of benefits from minerals. minerals. minerals. Yeah, minerals are minerals are a thing. Yeah, minerals are minerals are a thing. Yeah, minerals are minerals are a thing. Definitely th Definitely th Definitely th those were uh two amazing simple those were uh two amazing simple those were uh two amazing simple recommendations and they're honestly the recommendations and they're honestly the recommendations and they're honestly the the two simple recommendations that I the two simple recommendations that I the two simple recommendations that I always say that and uh purified water always say that and uh purified water always say that and uh purified water whether it's distilled or reverse whether it's distilled or reverse whether it's distilled or reverse osmosis because most of you know talk osmosis because most of you know talk osmosis because most of you know talk about toxicity and everything else is about toxicity and everything else is about toxicity and everything else is our water is crap and our body is mainly our water is crap and our body is mainly our water is crap and our body is mainly water but let's get into a little more water but let's get into a little more water but let's get into a little more complex. So what would be some complex complex. So what would be some complex complex. So what would be some complex advice you'd want to give to the advice you'd want to give to the advice you'd want to give to the listeners? listeners? listeners? I'm known for the words leaky gut I'm known for the words leaky gut I'm known for the words leaky gut syndrome. Okay, I was treating leaky gut syndrome. Okay, I was treating leaky gut syndrome. Okay, I was treating leaky gut before it was leaky gut. What is leaky before it was leaky gut. What is leaky before it was leaky gut. What is leaky gut? That's when gut? That's when gut? That's when the barrier between what's inside your the barrier between what's inside your the barrier between what's inside your gut, which is open to the environment, gut, which is open to the environment, gut, which is open to the environment, and your immune system, which is below and your immune system, which is below and your immune system, which is below that barrier, okay, is opened up, okay, that barrier, okay, is opened up, okay, that barrier, okay, is opened up, okay, for lots of reasons. Uh all the things I for lots of reasons. Uh all the things I for lots of reasons. Uh all the things I talked about in cell danger response are talked about in cell danger response are talked about in cell danger response are the things that can cause that. When the things that can cause that. When the things that can cause that. When that happens, you start getting that happens, you start getting that happens, you start getting increasing inflammation because those increasing inflammation because those increasing inflammation because those antigens that get in interact with your antigens that get in interact with your antigens that get in interact with your immune system and result in immune system and result in immune system and result in inflammation. And the more it happens, inflammation. And the more it happens, inflammation. And the more it happens, the worse it gets. So my my philosophy the worse it gets. So my my philosophy the worse it gets. So my my philosophy says treat leaky gut all the time. The says treat leaky gut all the time. The says treat leaky gut all the time. The argument I get is well what testing are argument I get is well what testing are argument I get is well what testing are you using and so forth? Well, anybody you using and so forth? Well, anybody you using and so forth? Well, anybody with a chronic illness, I'm just going with a chronic illness, I'm just going with a chronic illness, I'm just going to go ahead and treat them. Why? Because to go ahead and treat them. Why? Because to go ahead and treat them. Why? Because the treatment for leaky gut, which is the treatment for leaky gut, which is the treatment for leaky gut, which is giving you some fiber to create mucous giving you some fiber to create mucous giving you some fiber to create mucous layer, maybe some butyrate or glutamine layer, maybe some butyrate or glutamine layer, maybe some butyrate or glutamine to help the cells, you know, uh start to help the cells, you know, uh start to help the cells, you know, uh start regenerating themselves, maybe some zinc regenerating themselves, maybe some zinc regenerating themselves, maybe some zinc to help the cells, um, you know, bind to help the cells, um, you know, bind to help the cells, um, you know, bind together and then considering, you know, together and then considering, you know, together and then considering, you know, a certain probiotic or whatever the a certain probiotic or whatever the a certain probiotic or whatever the person needs. person needs. person needs. If I treat leaky gut and it is not there If I treat leaky gut and it is not there If I treat leaky gut and it is not there with what I just said, am I hurting it? with what I just said, am I hurting it? with what I just said, am I hurting it? Very blind, right? If I don't treat Very blind, right? If I don't treat Very blind, right? If I don't treat leaky gut and it's there, am I hurting leaky gut and it's there, am I hurting leaky gut and it's there, am I hurting you? Absolutely. Because then I'm not you? Absolutely. Because then I'm not you? Absolutely. Because then I'm not taking care of the main main reason for taking care of the main main reason for taking care of the main main reason for that chronic inflammation. Another that chronic inflammation. Another that chronic inflammation. Another reason why even with integrated reason why even with integrated reason why even with integrated practitioner, if somebody's not healing, practitioner, if somebody's not healing, practitioner, if somebody's not healing, if they're not paying attention to that if they're not paying attention to that if they're not paying attention to that with all the parameters, recreating the with all the parameters, recreating the with all the parameters, recreating the mucus later, helping the cells re mucus later, helping the cells re mucus later, helping the cells re reestablish themselves along with maybe reestablish themselves along with maybe reestablish themselves along with maybe some dietary changes or, you know, some dietary changes or, you know, some dietary changes or, you know, considering food allergies, but those considering food allergies, but those considering food allergies, but those are the basic reasons. Okay. are the basic reasons. Okay. are the basic reasons. Okay. you're not helping that person because you're not helping that person because you're not helping that person because as that inflammation continues, you're as that inflammation continues, you're as that inflammation continues, you're simply not going to get better. Simply simply not going to get better. Simply simply not going to get better. Simply not going to get better. So, how do you not going to get better. So, how do you not going to get better. So, how do you do this? Well, you need prebiotics or or do this? Well, you need prebiotics or or do this? Well, you need prebiotics or or fiber. Okay? And there's different kinds fiber. Okay? And there's different kinds fiber. Okay? And there's different kinds of fiber you can use. KCF fiber, of fiber you can use. KCF fiber, of fiber you can use. KCF fiber, slippery elm. There's a whole mess of slippery elm. There's a whole mess of slippery elm. There's a whole mess of them. What do they do? They they when them. What do they do? They they when them. What do they do? They they when they get in your system, they break down they get in your system, they break down they get in your system, they break down the mucus very quickly. And that's the the mucus very quickly. And that's the the mucus very quickly. And that's the first layer of defense. first layer of defense. first layer of defense. Um there's different uh substances you Um there's different uh substances you Um there's different uh substances you can use to help with cells heal. A lot can use to help with cells heal. A lot can use to help with cells heal. A lot of people use glutamine. Okay. Uh and of people use glutamine. Okay. Uh and of people use glutamine. Okay. Uh and glutamine, the only thing you have to be glutamine, the only thing you have to be glutamine, the only thing you have to be careful about there is that if you start careful about there is that if you start careful about there is that if you start taking it, you start getting nervous. taking it, you start getting nervous. taking it, you start getting nervous. It's because glutamine creates It's because glutamine creates It's because glutamine creates glutamate, which is very excitatory. And glutamate, which is very excitatory. And glutamate, which is very excitatory. And there's an enzyme that breaks it down to there's an enzyme that breaks it down to there's an enzyme that breaks it down to GABA, which is what you do use to calm GABA, which is what you do use to calm GABA, which is what you do use to calm down. And if that enzyme is not working down. And if that enzyme is not working down. And if that enzyme is not working very well, you're going to get this very well, you're going to get this very well, you're going to get this buildup of glutamate. So you just simply buildup of glutamate. So you just simply buildup of glutamate. So you just simply stop. I tend to use butyrate. Uh stop. I tend to use butyrate. Uh stop. I tend to use butyrate. Uh butyrate is the butyrate is the butyrate is the result of short chain fatty acids being result of short chain fatty acids being result of short chain fatty acids being metabolized. Okay. Anyway, there's lots metabolized. Okay. Anyway, there's lots metabolized. Okay. Anyway, there's lots of butyrate products, but tributerine is of butyrate products, but tributerine is of butyrate products, but tributerine is the best one because basically what it the best one because basically what it the best one because basically what it does is it allows your entire system. It does is it allows your entire system. It does is it allows your entire system. It kind of deposits everything throughout kind of deposits everything throughout kind of deposits everything throughout the entire GI tract. And if you're the entire GI tract. And if you're the entire GI tract. And if you're looking at probiotics, looking at probiotics, looking at probiotics, there's there's a ton of them out there. there's there's a ton of them out there. there's there's a ton of them out there. There's a few. There's a few. There's a few. Just look for something that's either Just look for something that's either Just look for something that's either that's an electtobacillus and that's an electtobacillus and that's an electtobacillus and bifidobacteria balance. Okay? And And bifidobacteria balance. Okay? And And bifidobacteria balance. Okay? And And what I have found work is work works what I have found work is work works what I have found work is work works well with my patients is a sporebased. well with my patients is a sporebased. well with my patients is a sporebased. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um and it doesn't have to be super Um and it doesn't have to be super Um and it doesn't have to be super expensive is the type. It tends to root expensive is the type. It tends to root expensive is the type. It tends to root better. So recreating a mucous layer better. So recreating a mucous layer better. So recreating a mucous layer giving something for the cells to adhere giving something for the cells to adhere giving something for the cells to adhere themselves. Also maybe some zinc themselves. Also maybe some zinc themselves. Also maybe some zinc carnosine to help the the junctions get carnosine to help the the junctions get carnosine to help the the junctions get really really tight. Okay. So nothing really really tight. Okay. So nothing really really tight. Okay. So nothing can get in and some probiotics. And can get in and some probiotics. And can get in and some probiotics. And believe it or not, that simple simple believe it or not, that simple simple believe it or not, that simple simple program program program starts to correct things. Okay, that's starts to correct things. Okay, that's starts to correct things. Okay, that's the the next level of hey, if we start the the next level of hey, if we start the the next level of hey, if we start dropping inflammation can only be a good dropping inflammation can only be a good dropping inflammation can only be a good thing and your body's not using so much thing and your body's not using so much thing and your body's not using so much energy to fight the oxidative stress. energy to fight the oxidative stress. energy to fight the oxidative stress. I've seen some really interesting I've seen some really interesting I've seen some really interesting examples of this. I had I was in Poland examples of this. I had I was in Poland examples of this. I had I was in Poland treating um uh treating autistic kids treating um uh treating autistic kids treating um uh treating autistic kids and I had consulted with a family about and I had consulted with a family about and I had consulted with a family about a month prior to me being there and of a month prior to me being there and of a month prior to me being there and of course I was you know I saw them while I course I was you know I saw them while I course I was you know I saw them while I was there and I had a translator because was there and I had a translator because was there and I had a translator because I don't speak Polish and the mother was I don't speak Polish and the mother was I don't speak Polish and the mother was sitting there shaking looking at me and sitting there shaking looking at me and sitting there shaking looking at me and said what's wrong with her? Translator said what's wrong with her? Translator said what's wrong with her? Translator says she's she's frightened. I said no says she's she's frightened. I said no says she's she's frightened. I said no what? Well she didn't follow your what? Well she didn't follow your what? Well she didn't follow your instructions exactly and I said yeah she instructions exactly and I said yeah she instructions exactly and I said yeah she thinks you're going to yell at her like thinks you're going to yell at her like thinks you're going to yell at her like okay what happened? Well, I was telling okay what happened? Well, I was telling okay what happened? Well, I was telling her how to use slippery elm, which is her how to use slippery elm, which is her how to use slippery elm, which is one of those fibers, right? And she one of those fibers, right? And she one of those fibers, right? And she misread, misunderstood my instructions, misread, misunderstood my instructions, misread, misunderstood my instructions, and instead of putting the slippery elm and instead of putting the slippery elm and instead of putting the slippery elm in in a cup of warm water, mixing it up, in in a cup of warm water, mixing it up, in in a cup of warm water, mixing it up, and then feeding it to her son by and then feeding it to her son by and then feeding it to her son by spoonfuls, she kept increasing it from a spoonfuls, she kept increasing it from a spoonfuls, she kept increasing it from a teaspoon to a tablespoon to a soup teaspoon to a tablespoon to a soup teaspoon to a tablespoon to a soup spoon. And I said, "How'd you get him to spoon. And I said, "How'd you get him to spoon. And I said, "How'd you get him to take it?" Squeeze his organic applesauce take it?" Squeeze his organic applesauce take it?" Squeeze his organic applesauce in it. And I started looking like this. in it. And I started looking like this. in it. And I started looking like this. And she and then she really started And she and then she really started And she and then she really started shaking because I'm like this, right? shaking because I'm like this, right? shaking because I'm like this, right? And I said, "Where's the kid?" He comes And I said, "Where's the kid?" He comes And I said, "Where's the kid?" He comes in and he's like almost normal. I was in and he's like almost normal. I was in and he's like almost normal. I was like like like I said, "Tell her thank you." She said, I said, "Tell her thank you." She said, I said, "Tell her thank you." She said, "What?" I said, "Tell her thank you." "What?" I said, "Tell her thank you." "What?" I said, "Tell her thank you." You know, they both went tilt. I said, You know, they both went tilt. I said, You know, they both went tilt. I said, "What you did was," and you just taught "What you did was," and you just taught "What you did was," and you just taught me something. And I always learned from me something. And I always learned from me something. And I always learned from my patients that you did a massive my patients that you did a massive my patients that you did a massive amount of of fiber, increased the the amount of of fiber, increased the the amount of of fiber, increased the the mucous layer significantly. those mucous layer significantly. those mucous layer significantly. those antigens weren't getting in and his antigens weren't getting in and his antigens weren't getting in and his brain inflammation dropped brain inflammation dropped brain inflammation dropped significantly, you know, and now instead significantly, you know, and now instead significantly, you know, and now instead of being a whirling dervish, he was a of being a whirling dervish, he was a of being a whirling dervish, he was a little boy. Did that cure him little boy. Did that cure him little boy. Did that cure him completely? No. But boy, did I learn completely? No. But boy, did I learn completely? No. But boy, did I learn something about bleaky gut, you know. something about bleaky gut, you know. something about bleaky gut, you know. And so And so And so real. real. real. Thank you. I'm going to add that in. Thank you. I'm going to add that in. Thank you. I'm going to add that in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I did electron doperin axis and his I did electron doperin axis and his I did electron doperin axis and his relationship to neurode diversity in uh relationship to neurode diversity in uh relationship to neurode diversity in uh in Ireland this last September and in Ireland this last September and in Ireland this last September and learned a lot there too from the other learned a lot there too from the other learned a lot there too from the other practitioner is that the microbiome in practitioner is that the microbiome in practitioner is that the microbiome in the gut is the main thing that signals the gut is the main thing that signals the gut is the main thing that signals the brain the brain the brain y y y and when you have a normal microbiome and when you have a normal microbiome and when you have a normal microbiome that creates normal brain signaling that creates normal brain signaling that creates normal brain signaling normal neurotransmitters and also down normal neurotransmitters and also down normal neurotransmitters and also down to the hormones. So that's how you to the hormones. So that's how you to the hormones. So that's how you establish homeostasis that when you establish homeostasis that when you establish homeostasis that when you start getting aberrations in the start getting aberrations in the start getting aberrations in the microbiome from illness and so forth, microbiome from illness and so forth, microbiome from illness and so forth, the signaling just like a Morris code the signaling just like a Morris code the signaling just like a Morris code going back and forth changes and then going back and forth changes and then going back and forth changes and then the brain function changes. the brain function changes. the brain function changes. Yep. I mean Yep. I mean Yep. I mean I found that fascinating. I found that fascinating. I found that fascinating. 90 95% of serotonin's, you know, 90 95% of serotonin's, you know, 90 95% of serotonin's, you know, initially made in the stomach. So initially made in the stomach. So initially made in the stomach. So absolutely. Absolutely. absolutely. Absolutely. absolutely. Absolutely. And then there's the whole Vegas nerve And then there's the whole Vegas nerve And then there's the whole Vegas nerve conversation. conversation. conversation. SSR are doomed to fail. SSR are doomed to fail. SSR are doomed to fail. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's I mean they're not Yeah. Yeah. No, it's I mean they're not Yeah. Yeah. No, it's I mean they're not doomed. They're just failing. doomed. They're just failing. doomed. They're just failing. Another another subject. Another another subject. Another another subject. They're not doing a fail. They are just They're not doing a fail. They are just They're not doing a fail. They are just failing. failing. failing. So, So, So, well, yeah, because they they they pres well, yeah, because they they they pres well, yeah, because they they they pres Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, they preserve the serotonin in the No, they preserve the serotonin in the No, they preserve the serotonin in the in the syninnapse, but do nothing for in the syninnapse, but do nothing for in the syninnapse, but do nothing for the production of serotonin. the production of serotonin. the production of serotonin. Yep. Yeah. It's just a Yep. Yeah. It's just a Yep. Yeah. It's just a That's what the medicines don't do That's what the medicines don't do That's what the medicines don't do anything for the production of anything for the production of anything for the production of serotonin. Yeah. serotonin. Yeah. serotonin. Yeah. So, I have two more questions as we're So, I have two more questions as we're So, I have two more questions as we're starting to wrap up. The first one was, starting to wrap up. The first one was, starting to wrap up. The first one was, you know, we talked about a lot of the you know, we talked about a lot of the you know, we talked about a lot of the terrain. We got a little more complex terrain. We got a little more complex terrain. We got a little more complex into the terrain. There's a lot of into the terrain. There's a lot of into the terrain. There's a lot of people, you know, chasing what's what's people, you know, chasing what's what's people, you know, chasing what's what's new on social media and there's parasite new on social media and there's parasite new on social media and there's parasite cleanses and then there's fungus cleanses and then there's fungus cleanses and then there's fungus invasions and all these things. And, you invasions and all these things. And, you invasions and all these things. And, you know, know, know, people might feel a little better for a people might feel a little better for a people might feel a little better for a little bit of time, but as you talked little bit of time, but as you talked little bit of time, but as you talked about foundationally, they're not about foundationally, they're not about foundationally, they're not healed. healed. healed. Yeah. One thing that I think most people Yeah. One thing that I think most people Yeah. One thing that I think most people in the world have forgotten about in the world have forgotten about in the world have forgotten about is that all this is not new. We're is that all this is not new. We're is that all this is not new. We're treating health treating health treating health true true true and healthcare as it's this new thing, and healthcare as it's this new thing, and healthcare as it's this new thing, but humans have been around for just a but humans have been around for just a but humans have been around for just a couple years. And you just released a couple years. And you just released a couple years. And you just released a book that talked about traditional book that talked about traditional book that talked about traditional remedies. remedies. remedies. And I don't think most people And I don't think most people And I don't think most people know much about traditional remedies. know much about traditional remedies. know much about traditional remedies. So, can you talk about traditional So, can you talk about traditional So, can you talk about traditional remedies and why they're so powerful? remedies and why they're so powerful? remedies and why they're so powerful? Sure. Well, like you said, u we've been Sure. Well, like you said, u we've been Sure. Well, like you said, u we've been around for a while. Okay. And around for a while. Okay. And around for a while. Okay. And most of our grandmothers, most of our grandmothers, most of our grandmothers, great-grandmothers, so forth and so on, great-grandmothers, so forth and so on, great-grandmothers, so forth and so on, you know, learn things that worked. you know, learn things that worked. you know, learn things that worked. Okay. um they worked they learned things Okay. um they worked they learned things Okay. um they worked they learned things that would treat that didn't involve uh that would treat that didn't involve uh that would treat that didn't involve uh medications. medications. medications. We have been taught to We have been taught to We have been taught to push those away. And in this this push those away. And in this this push those away. And in this this generation now they don't even know generation now they don't even know generation now they don't even know about it but in the transitional about it but in the transitional about it but in the transitional generations like in the 60s and 70s and generations like in the 60s and 70s and generations like in the 60s and 70s and 50s you know advertising and big pharma 50s you know advertising and big pharma 50s you know advertising and big pharma started saying don't use this use that started saying don't use this use that started saying don't use this use that take eedran for your daily headaches take eedran for your daily headaches take eedran for your daily headaches presuming that daily headaches are presuming that daily headaches are presuming that daily headaches are normal but they're not. Okay, now you're normal but they're not. Okay, now you're normal but they're not. Okay, now you're seeing the government start putting out seeing the government start putting out seeing the government start putting out things like don't take this vitamin. things like don't take this vitamin. things like don't take this vitamin. It's bad for you this way. And they do a It's bad for you this way. And they do a It's bad for you this way. And they do a little bit at a time, a little bit at a little bit at a time, a little bit at a little bit at a time, a little bit at a time, you know, and you forget that time, you know, and you forget that time, you know, and you forget that there are other ways of treating things, there are other ways of treating things, there are other ways of treating things, things that have been traditionally things that have been traditionally things that have been traditionally worked. And if you have the worked. And if you have the worked. And if you have the decision-making process of saying, decision-making process of saying, decision-making process of saying, listen, I've got a toothache. It's the listen, I've got a toothache. It's the listen, I've got a toothache. It's the middle of the night. Ambol is not going middle of the night. Ambol is not going middle of the night. Ambol is not going to do much, but oil of clove will get to do much, but oil of clove will get to do much, but oil of clove will get right in there and start deadening it. right in there and start deadening it. right in there and start deadening it. But that's not curing it. That's a stop But that's not curing it. That's a stop But that's not curing it. That's a stop gap measure until you can see the gap measure until you can see the gap measure until you can see the dentist. Okay? If you if you have dentist. Okay? If you if you have dentist. Okay? If you if you have mastitis from breastfeeding, believe it mastitis from breastfeeding, believe it mastitis from breastfeeding, believe it or not, there are there's a cabbage leaf or not, there are there's a cabbage leaf or not, there are there's a cabbage leaf compress you can make that works. It's compress you can make that works. It's compress you can make that works. It's in the literature. I mean, I found it in in the literature. I mean, I found it in in the literature. I mean, I found it in the literature, you know, that you can the literature, you know, that you can the literature, you know, that you can use to decrease the mastitis. When I say use to decrease the mastitis. When I say use to decrease the mastitis. When I say naturally, naturally is not always good, naturally, naturally is not always good, naturally, naturally is not always good, okay? But it's an alternative, okay? But it's an alternative, okay? But it's an alternative, okay? Something you can use. okay? Something you can use. okay? Something you can use. There's usually no side effects. There's usually no side effects. There's usually no side effects. There's usually less side effects. So There's usually less side effects. So There's usually less side effects. So even if you try and it doesn't get the even if you try and it doesn't get the even if you try and it doesn't get the results, you don't get the other results results, you don't get the other results results, you don't get the other results that you didn't want. that you didn't want. that you didn't want. Exactly. Exactly. My book is called Nana Exactly. Exactly. My book is called Nana Exactly. Exactly. My book is called Nana Was Always Right. My grandmother Nana Was Always Right. My grandmother Nana Was Always Right. My grandmother Nana Was Always Right. It's on Amazon Was Always Right. It's on Amazon Was Always Right. It's on Amazon everywhere. Okay. It's Ellen Kindler. everywhere. Okay. It's Ellen Kindler. everywhere. Okay. It's Ellen Kindler. Physical book will come out soon, but it Physical book will come out soon, but it Physical book will come out soon, but it has it exactly like that. I have the has it exactly like that. I have the has it exactly like that. I have the remedies. I have the scientific remedies. I have the scientific remedies. I have the scientific evidence. I went and did the research. evidence. I went and did the research. evidence. I went and did the research. Okay? So you could actually go back and Okay? So you could actually go back and Okay? So you could actually go back and say, you know, wow, right? There's about say, you know, wow, right? There's about say, you know, wow, right? There's about 35 remedies there and u they're all safe 35 remedies there and u they're all safe 35 remedies there and u they're all safe and again just read it you know and the and again just read it you know and the and again just read it you know and the the ebook is very inexpensive the ebook is very inexpensive the ebook is very inexpensive okay um because I wanted to get out okay um because I wanted to get out okay um because I wanted to get out there I don't want to you know jack up there I don't want to you know jack up there I don't want to you know jack up the price and guess what you might learn the price and guess what you might learn the price and guess what you might learn something or use it as a reference and something or use it as a reference and something or use it as a reference and you know like the old remedies are you know like the old remedies are you know like the old remedies are excellent there's been some good stuff excellent there's been some good stuff excellent there's been some good stuff out there okay we base a lot of our out there okay we base a lot of our out there okay we base a lot of our medicines on old stuff okay medicines on old stuff okay medicines on old stuff okay well all medicines are Most of medicines well all medicines are Most of medicines well all medicines are Most of medicines are foundationally just different are foundationally just different are foundationally just different complexes of herbs that's been broken complexes of herbs that's been broken complexes of herbs that's been broken down. You know, down. You know, down. You know, let me share with your audience that the let me share with your audience that the let me share with your audience that the new and sexy is not necessarily good. new and sexy is not necessarily good. new and sexy is not necessarily good. Something doesn't have to be complex for Something doesn't have to be complex for Something doesn't have to be complex for you to sit there and say, "Okay, this is you to sit there and say, "Okay, this is you to sit there and say, "Okay, this is going to work." You know, there's a going to work." You know, there's a going to work." You know, there's a thing called AAM's razor, which is not a thing called AAM's razor, which is not a thing called AAM's razor, which is not a shaving company. It's a philosophical shaving company. It's a philosophical shaving company. It's a philosophical principle that says the simplest principle that says the simplest principle that says the simplest explanation is usually the one. Okay. Um explanation is usually the one. Okay. Um explanation is usually the one. Okay. Um what we are faced with now especially on what we are faced with now especially on what we are faced with now especially on Google by the way Dr. Google is my Google by the way Dr. Google is my Google by the way Dr. Google is my nemesis. Um is a lot of people who are nemesis. Um is a lot of people who are nemesis. Um is a lot of people who are concentrating on the symptoms and saying concentrating on the symptoms and saying concentrating on the symptoms and saying okay you need this detox or that detox okay you need this detox or that detox okay you need this detox or that detox and they don't take care of the train and they don't take care of the train and they don't take care of the train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train ter train and ter train ter train ter train and ter train ter train ter train and there's people who just practice that there's people who just practice that there's people who just practice that way. So if all you have is a hammer way. So if all you have is a hammer way. So if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Okay it everything looks like a nail. Okay it everything looks like a nail. Okay it isn't necessarily so. It isn't isn't necessarily so. It isn't isn't necessarily so. It isn't necessarily so. Okay. And because it has necessarily so. Okay. And because it has necessarily so. Okay. And because it has a complex name or something that takes a complex name or something that takes a complex name or something that takes care of this special thing, you know, care of this special thing, you know, care of this special thing, you know, doesn't make it right. doesn't make it right. doesn't make it right. Remember, it's the beginning of Remember, it's the beginning of Remember, it's the beginning of genetics. So, everybody looks at MTHFR, genetics. So, everybody looks at MTHFR, genetics. So, everybody looks at MTHFR, that particular gene, and they call some that particular gene, and they call some that particular gene, and they call some varied names that I won't repeat here, varied names that I won't repeat here, varied names that I won't repeat here, but they treat it like it's an entity. but they treat it like it's an entity. but they treat it like it's an entity. It's not. It's one enzyme. It's not. It's one enzyme. It's not. It's one enzyme. Okay? It's one enzyme. It takes one Okay? It's one enzyme. It takes one Okay? It's one enzyme. It takes one thing, turns it into another. Okay? I thing, turns it into another. Okay? I thing, turns it into another. Okay? I can say the big words, but you won't be can say the big words, but you won't be can say the big words, but you won't be impressed. Right? If you don't fix the impressed. Right? If you don't fix the impressed. Right? If you don't fix the pathway, if you don't work on the pathway, if you don't work on the pathway, if you don't work on the absorption, it's not going to work absorption, it's not going to work absorption, it's not going to work because all it does is convert one thing because all it does is convert one thing because all it does is convert one thing to another in and of itself. That to another in and of itself. That to another in and of itself. That polymorphism, the snip, or the lack of polymorphism, the snip, or the lack of polymorphism, the snip, or the lack of function of that enzyme, and there's 50 function of that enzyme, and there's 50 function of that enzyme, and there's 50 of them, by the way, not two that they of them, by the way, not two that they of them, by the way, not two that they usually, there's 50 of them, okay? usually, there's 50 of them, okay? usually, there's 50 of them, okay? Doesn't mean you're going to be sick, Doesn't mean you're going to be sick, Doesn't mean you're going to be sick, but everybody treats MTH4 like it's a but everybody treats MTH4 like it's a but everybody treats MTH4 like it's a thing. It's not. We've we've had to fear thing. It's not. We've we've had to fear thing. It's not. We've we've had to fear a lot of things which a lot of things which a lot of things which yes we are that's the best way to sell yes we are that's the best way to sell yes we are that's the best way to sell anything. anything. anything. Fear is one of the biggest things that Fear is one of the biggest things that Fear is one of the biggest things that can controls you but it also deregulates can controls you but it also deregulates can controls you but it also deregulates the that neuroimmune system. the that neuroimmune system. the that neuroimmune system. So So So exactly exactly exactly my last question this is also one of my my last question this is also one of my my last question this is also one of my favorite questions. favorite questions. favorite questions. Sure. Sure. Sure. Is I'm going to say a quote and I would Is I'm going to say a quote and I would Is I'm going to say a quote and I would like to hear what it means to you. like to hear what it means to you. like to hear what it means to you. Sure. come back to what's true. This is for everything. Something is new, you know, noted. But Something is new, you know, noted. But Something is new, you know, noted. But for anything that you're considering, for anything that you're considering, for anything that you're considering, look at the look at the look at the history of it. Look at the um the history of it. Look at the um the history of it. Look at the um the results or from your friends, from what results or from your friends, from what results or from your friends, from what you've read, okay? And it's sort of like you've read, okay? And it's sort of like you've read, okay? And it's sort of like reading all the various holy books out reading all the various holy books out reading all the various holy books out there. They have two concepts that are there. They have two concepts that are there. They have two concepts that are all the same. One honor on, you know, uh all the same. One honor on, you know, uh all the same. One honor on, you know, uh head towards the divine essentially the head towards the divine essentially the head towards the divine essentially the first commandment. The second is treat first commandment. The second is treat first commandment. The second is treat each other nicely. Okay. Again, just each other nicely. Okay. Again, just each other nicely. Okay. Again, just paraphrasing. They all say that. So that paraphrasing. They all say that. So that paraphrasing. They all say that. So that must be a truth. If all the holy books must be a truth. If all the holy books must be a truth. If all the holy books say it in every tradition in different say it in every tradition in different say it in every tradition in different ways, but they're saying the same, same ways, but they're saying the same, same ways, but they're saying the same, same blessed thing. Okay? Must be truth. So blessed thing. Okay? Must be truth. So blessed thing. Okay? Must be truth. So when you're reading, remember that if when you're reading, remember that if when you're reading, remember that if you go to a website, you're reading you go to a website, you're reading you go to a website, you're reading testimonials. testimonials. testimonials. This person got better in in 45 minutes. This person got better in in 45 minutes. This person got better in in 45 minutes. Well, every practice has got a bill Well, every practice has got a bill Well, every practice has got a bill curve. You know that most people get curve. You know that most people get curve. You know that most people get better in here, but there's always the better in here, but there's always the better in here, but there's always the outliers, that couple of people like the outliers, that couple of people like the outliers, that couple of people like the young lady that I I spoke about earlier young lady that I I spoke about earlier young lady that I I spoke about earlier with the hallucinations. with the hallucinations. with the hallucinations. Do I get those results all the time? I Do I get those results all the time? I Do I get those results all the time? I wish I could say that. Is she an wish I could say that. Is she an wish I could say that. Is she an outlier? Yeah. You know, I mean, it was outlier? Yeah. You know, I mean, it was outlier? Yeah. You know, I mean, it was one of the best cases I ever did. I got one of the best cases I ever did. I got one of the best cases I ever did. I got others like that. Okay, but guess what? others like that. Okay, but guess what? others like that. Okay, but guess what? You know, if I were going to advertise You know, if I were going to advertise You know, if I were going to advertise that, that'd be the one you say, "Oh, that, that'd be the one you say, "Oh, that, that'd be the one you say, "Oh, you're gonna get those results all the you're gonna get those results all the you're gonna get those results all the time." No. Okay, just everybody's an time." No. Okay, just everybody's an time." No. Okay, just everybody's an individual. Okay, don't go after the individual. Okay, don't go after the individual. Okay, don't go after the sexy. Don't go after the seemingly sexy. Don't go after the seemingly sexy. Don't go after the seemingly complex. Look at things in a wider complex. Look at things in a wider complex. Look at things in a wider sense. So, truth is going to be when you sense. So, truth is going to be when you sense. So, truth is going to be when you kind of look everywhere, it's kind of kind of look everywhere, it's kind of kind of look everywhere, it's kind of saying the same thing. Okay? Not because saying the same thing. Okay? Not because saying the same thing. Okay? Not because I said it, not because guru X said it, I said it, not because guru X said it, I said it, not because guru X said it, guru Y said it, but looking at the guru Y said it, but looking at the guru Y said it, but looking at the general, looking at the bigger picture general, looking at the bigger picture general, looking at the bigger picture is I think where you're going to find is I think where you're going to find is I think where you're going to find truth. truth. truth. I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, I love it. I love it. Well, thank you, Dr. Jess. We will put Dr. Jess. We will put Dr. Jess. We will put all of his websites and his book links all of his websites and his book links all of his websites and his book links in the show notes so that you can find in the show notes so that you can find in the show notes so that you can find him as well as his remedies and his him as well as his remedies and his him as well as his remedies and his other books. And I would say other books. And I would say other books. And I would say to all the listeners, at least start out to all the listeners, at least start out to all the listeners, at least start out with liposal vitamins, liposal minerals, with liposal vitamins, liposal minerals, with liposal vitamins, liposal minerals, and if you're intrigued, and if you're intrigued, and if you're intrigued, you can always reach out and get more you can always reach out and get more you can always reach out and get more complex. Thank you again, Dr. Jess, and complex. 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