When Your Thoughts Hijack Your Outcomes and Keep You Stuck in a Rut
Episode 258
In this episode of Integrative You Radio , Dr. Nicole Rivera dives into the concept of the Map of Consciousness, created by Dr. David Hawkins, and explores how our perceptions, shaped by past experiences, dictate our emotional states and outcomes. She shares personal stories, actionable insights, and raw truths about breaking free from old patterns, elevating consciousness, and mastering the art of living intentionally. #ConsciousLiving #BreakFreeFromPatterns #ElevateYourMindset #MapOfConsciousness #PersonalGrowthJourney #EmpoweredLiving #SelfMastery #MindsetShift #LiveIntentionally #IntegrativeYouRadio 3 Key Takeaways: Perception Shapes Reality: Understand how your past experiences influence your present perceptions and how to break free from limiting beliefs to create a future aligned with your values. Navigating the Map of Consciousness: Learn how to identify your emotional state, elevate your consciousness, and leverage gratitude and groundedness to shift your outcomes. Mastering Fear and Empowerment: Discover how to confront your fears, build confidence in areas where you feel disempowered, and become a co-creator of your life. Quotes: "Your fantasy is creating your fucking nightmare. If you’re only seeing one side of life, you’re setting yourself up for disappointment." "You are not a victim of your circumstances—you’re a co-creator. You have a choice, but no one said choosing differently is easy." Find Integrative You Radio On: Website Youtube Apple Spotify 2 Doctors Committed to Innovating the Healthcare Experience. Integrative You Radio is hosted by husband-and-wife duo, Dr. Nicole Rivera and Dr. Nick Carruthers. With their voracious curiosity for Integrative Medicine, the Human Mind, Aligned Parenting, and Entrepreneurship, they bring a fresh perspective to the table. They aim to debunk the BS that is holding you back in your health, your relationships, and your life. Each episode is designed to challenge your thinking, push boundaries, and inspire you to
Topics: integrative, consciousness, unknown, past, emotional, outcomes, radio, experiences
Key takeaways from this episode
- ## When Your Thoughts Hijack Your Outcomes and Keep You Stuck in a Rut
- Perception is Your Reality:** Discover how your interpretation of past events colors your present and future, and learn strategies to shift these perceptions.
- The Map of Consciousness:** Gain insight into identifying your current emotional frequency and practical methods to ascend to higher states like gratitude and groundedness.
- From Fear to Empowerment:** Understand how to acknowledge and move through fears that keep you disempowered and reclaim your role as the co-creator of your life.
- Intentional Living:** Learn to intentionally shift your mindset and emotional state to break free from ruts and manifest desired outcomes.
Pull quotes
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We will be sprinkling in some truth bombs for our healthpreneurs, so they can join us in our mission to evolve healthcare.
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Transcript
**Unknown:** Welcome to Integrative U Radio, hosted by Dr. Nick Carruthers and yours truly, Dr. Nicole Rivera. This is the place where you become limitless.
**Unknown:** We are covering the latest and greatest topics, of course, in a disruptive fashion around integrative medicine, mental health, and human behavior. We are also covering how those topics affect the human and family dynamics. We will be sprinkling in some truth bombs for our healthpreneurs, so they can join us in our mission to evolve healthcare. If you are health curious and growth focused, you are in the right place.
**Unknown:** But buckle up, because this is real, this is raw, and this is disruptive. This is Integrative U Radio. What is up, my friends? Welcome back to another episode of Integrative U Radio.
**Unknown:** So funny thing, I was actually just, uh, posting or recording a couple things for social media, and I was talking about this concept of the map of consciousness, which was created by Dr. David Hawkins, and I realized that I was I was trying to do it under a minute, and I was like, "Gosh, this is such a loaded topic. I really should do a podcast about it." And, um, so I'm just going to kind of preface and give you an idea of, like, what the heck the map of consciousness is, and essentially why we use it and care about it, and how this can affect you, but also how c- you can use it. Um, because I think that at the end of the day, when it comes to our emotional state, our mental state, our mental wellbeing, uh, gosh, I don't even know where to start.
**Unknown:** Like, I'm like, one, there's so much confusion around it. Two, nothing is black and white. It, it's not like I'm a happy person, and I'm a sad person. I'm depressed.
**Unknown:** Like, it, there... That doesn't exist. It is... We can experience every emotion in a day.
**Unknown:** Um, we all have different perceptions of things. You know, people will say, you know, uh, bad things happen to good people, and you could talk about what you think that bad thing was, and someone else can say, "Yeah, but..." and have a completely different perspective on it. And so that's one of the key things is that it's all about perception. It is all about how you perceive something, and how you perceive something is actually based off of your past experiences.
**Unknown:** And this is something that I heard very much so from both Dr. Joe Dispenza and Demartini, and it was so fucking true. And, you know, don't get me wrong, it takes a while to really click and to, to, to give you a level of freedom. But when you hear it, you kinda have this like, "Oh.
**Unknown:** Oh, shit." And, and what they, they both were saying is that so many people are, are thinking and creating their, their present and their futures based off of their past experiences, which is a complete fucking lie fabrication. Example is if you had your heart broken in a relationship, now, you know, you could say, "Fuck love. Love's not for me," or, "I don't trust people. I got cheated on, and my heart was broken." And now you have this belief system that, okay, I experienced infidelity, now that's gonna probably happen to me again, so I'm gonna have a guard up, I'm gonna protect myself, and I'm not gonna trust people.
**Unknown:** I'm not gonna let people in easily. Obviously, you know, these same types of things happen in friendships, is that we tag a situation that's very emotionally intense for us, and we now use that. Our ego says, "Use this as a protective mechanism so it doesn't happen again." But at the end of the day, the probability of it happening again is, is equal to it not happening. So you might say, "But what if?" And I say, "What if not?" And so h- for so many of us, we're using our past experiences to dictate how we think, feel, and curate our futures, which makes no fucking sense when you really, really think about it.
**Unknown:** All that we're leveraging is the ego's protective mechanism. Of course, we wanna protect ourselves, but we also have to understand that there's pros and cons to protecting ourselves. You could be ripping yourself of some of the most amazing experiences in your life, some of the most amazing people in your life because you're trying to protect yourself. So there are pros and cons.
**Unknown:** There's benefits and drawbacks to both. It's not that one is superior to the next. You know, to live a life in isolation because you don't trust people, like, are you really living? You're, you're just hiding away in a hole because you're, you're too scared to get hurt, but you're already hurting because you're alone.
**Unknown:** Anyway, I derail, as per usual. So this is just kind of a, a segue into this idea. So there's, there's this idea of the map of consciousness. Some of you maybe have heard of, you know, heard of this idea of your level of consciousness.
**Unknown:** Consciousness is really just like where are you at mentally and emotionally. You know, like, how, how do you look at the world?Are you looking at the world from, quote-unquote, the glass half full, or are you looking at the world from the glass half empty? And what I always laugh about is it's fucking both. If the water is halfway up the cup, it's both.
**Unknown:** It's half empty and half full. Like, there is going to always be benefits and drawbacks to everything. There is pros and cons to everything. Nothing is one-sided, so stop fucking thinking that it is.
**Unknown:** You know, I always say this, this term, I, I started saying it in business, but in reality it just... it applies to everything, is, um, don't expect the worst, but be prepared for anything. You know, like, I moved to Italy. It was a huge, huge move in my life.
**Unknown:** Two things. I, I, I closed my brick-and-mortar business, which was a huge fucking decision, and then I moved my family to Italy across the world. Like, two huge decisions in my life. Did I sit here and say, "I'm gonna move to Italy, and all I'm gonna do is, like, l- you know, live by the sea and, you know, drink Aperol Spritz, and everything's gonna be amazing and perfect?" Y- yeah, I, I was hoping that there was gonna be all of that amazingness, but I also knew the reality of, like, I'm going to a new place where I know no one.
**Unknown:** I, y- I know... I, I don't know the language. Like, I don't know... Like, there's so many things that I'm gonna have to navigate that are gonna be really difficult.
**Unknown:** So if I come here thinking that, uh, it's gonna be a fantasy world, everything's gonna work out great, then I'm gonna be disappointed. So you have to be very conscious of your expectations in your life because that's all that it is. I love what Dr. Demartini says.
**Unknown:** He's like, "Your fantasy is creating your fucking nightmare." If you have a fantasy of what a family should look like, you have a fantasy of what your spouse should look like, you have a fantasy of what your job should look like, if you have a fantasy of what your finances should look like, it's going to become your nightmare because it's... Chances are your fantasy is one-sided. Everything is good, everything is amazing, and you don't see the other side of things. You know, we see this with people all the time.
**Unknown:** It's just, uh, people are people. You know, we're gonna... There's gonna be amazing things that we love about people, and then there might be other things that are just, like, a little annoying about them. You're never gonna have one side of it, unless the person's, like, exactly like you, and then you're gonna like them, or at least if you're like me.
**Unknown:** Anytime I'm like, "I just like them," Nick's like, "That's 'cause they're just like you." I'm like, "Oh my God. Am I so self-absorbed?" Okay, so let's get back to this map of consciousness. So the map of consciousness is this breakdown, and it is a numerical value based on all of these different, uh, emotional states. And so 200 is, is the middle ground.
**Unknown:** It's like the neutral point. So if you're above 200, you know, it, it's that you're at a higher level of consciousness. You have a, a wider lens with how you look at the world. You tend to see the good.
**Unknown:** You see the bad. You have more gratitude. You have more joy. You have more happiness in your life.
**Unknown:** If you're below 200, you're in some of the lower vibration emotions. You're in a lower level of consciousness, so you tend to default into emotions like anger or guilt or shame or fear. The thing is, is that y- most of us don't sit in one place when it comes to the map of consciousness. We tend to sit, let's call it, 50 to 75%, depending on the person, in, in a certain place, and a lot of people, well, depending on who they are, that, you know, they're maybe around that 200 mark.
**Unknown:** Maybe they're, like, a little bit below that 200 mark. And, uh, the reason why I'm saying it like this is because we d- we actually test the me- map of consciousness for the people that we work with, and so we have, you know, thousands of, of these tests under our belt at this point, and it's very rare that someone comes up with one emotional state or one level of consciousness. They usually have, um... There, there's usually two to three.
**Unknown:** And an example is, is that, you know, they have this, this more neutral point or a l- something a little bit lower than 200 around... or most of the time. So, like, 50% of their... the time or 75% of the time they sit there.
**Unknown:** But then m- a lot of people also have a default, which is on the lower spectrum of consciousness, and that default depends on the person and their experiences. They can default very easily into anger. They can default into guilt. They can default into shame.
**Unknown:** They can default into fear, and they can default into desire. This is the comparison game that people play, and it's just very interesting because I think we all feel this. We feel that, like, "I'm doing all right. I'm just living my life, you know, doing my thing, going to work, going out with friends." And then we have our bad days, we have our bad weeks, and sometimes we have a bad month or a few months, and, you know, we, we try to understand, like, why does this happen?
**Unknown:** And essentially, a lot of defaulting down into that lower level of consciousness or those negative emotions has to do with an old cycle coming up, a trigger coming up. That could be an event. It could be an emotion. It could be a person.
**Unknown:** And something surfaces, and it could be an old, uh, program, an old belief system. You could've been told, you know, that you were lesser than as a kid, and then your boss says something to you at work, and it's like fucking trigger, and now you're like, "I'm worthless. I'm fucking not good at what I do. I'm never gonna be successful," and you spiral.
**Unknown:** Uh, the same thing. You can have a person in your life that's, like, really intense and really intimidating, and you, you default into people-pleasing because that was, again, something that you were told. "You should be a people pleaser. You should be liked by everybody" when you were young.
**Unknown:** So, you know, uh, uh, or the same thing goes for an experience that you had when it came to a person who either abandoned you, a person who, um, you know-Lost your trust, and you can have this come up of like, "Oh, I'm in a new relationship. This person did this one little thing that made me question their integrity, and now I'm gonna default into, you know, fear that they're going to do what this other person did to me in the past." And so the great thing about this is that we're never gonna... I don't wanna say never. There are definitely some people that live in a very elevated place, and they see the world very, very differently, but these are people that work on themselves every fucking day, and they have been working on themselves for a very, very long time.
**Unknown:** A lot of these people that are in elevated level of consciousness, like a Joe Dispenza, he's meditating every day, meditating many hours a day, like, you know, doing deep, deep, deep work, like releasing generational trauma, shit that's not even just his, but shit that goes generations back. Yes, that is a thing, my friends. If you want me to talk about that, comment below, and I, I will be happy to talk about it in a future podcast 'cause it is its own topic in itself. But for most of us, you know, even for myself, I, I work on myself quite a bit but, you know, there's still default programs that I can fall back into.
**Unknown:** And I remember so specifically when I was very new into my journey of more of like my, my personal developm- development when it came to the mental and emotional, um, aspects. I remember this specific mentor that I was working with, and I reached out to him because I had a stressful situation, and I said, "Wow, I'm so, like, impressed with myself. Normally, I would, I would be very reactive. I would default immediately into, you know, ego taking over, 'Fuck you,' protect myself, anger, and I would've been...
**Unknown:** I wouldn't have been able to sleep. I'd be thinking about it." You know, it, it would really hijack me, um, overall. And I was like, "I'm so impressed with myself. I, I, I..." Like, I was very calm and collected.
**Unknown:** I handled it very well. And then it was three days later that I started to feel kind of like those, those default emotions. I was fucking pissed. I was like, "Fuck that person.
**Unknown:** How dare you?" And da, da, da, da. And you know, it was just that, that protective ego kicking in. And I said to him, I go, "I'm so disappointed. You know, I, I, I feel like I've been making great strides and, you know, clearly I haven't because this still...
**Unknown:** this is still a pattern for me." And he's like, "Okay. In the past, how, how quickly would you have been reactive and, you know, went into that anger mode, protection mode, probably said things you didn't... you know, you... that would've got you in trouble?" And I was like, "Oh, it would've been like five minutes." And he's like, "Okay, and you told me that it took three days for, you know, this, this to kick in." "Yep." He's like, "We're gonna call that progress." And I was like, okay, that is, uh, that is definitely a very refreshing and humbling thing to hear is that, you know, it's not that we're going to not react ever again.
**Unknown:** It's just we react maybe in a lesser intensity. We react, uh, i- it's a delayed reaction. But then most importantly is you get yourself out of it quickly, and that was another thing that he brought to my attention. He's like, "You know, y- you were pissed off for about 24 hours, and then you moved on." He's like, "That's huge." You know, i- it's when people, they default into their, their old pattern, if it's anger or fear, and it hijacks them for weeks or, or months or years.
**Unknown:** He's like, "You know, that's, that's when we're... you know, we're really not in a great place, and our, our level of consciousness is lower because one thing can take us out. It can take us away from our gratitude and our joy and..." Of course my dogs are barking. So I tell you these stories to help you understand, you know, how does this apply to, to life.
**Unknown:** You know, this is not about, uh, positive thinking and positive affirmations. This is about actually authentically feeling gratitude for your life, feeling a sense of calm, feeling a sense of peace, that people don't affect you as much as they used to. Situations don't affect you as much as they used to. Like, you're, you're in such a grounded and calm place that, you know, things don't derail you as much.
**Unknown:** Like, that's how you know you're making progress. And even if you do get derailed, you get back on track more quickly than you ever have, and that's a progression. You know, nowadays, I find that certain things that would irritate me just don't anymore, and I know that's part of just me being in a, in a better place on a consistent basis. And so do I have times, and do the clients that I work with have times, that they're in more of an elevated emotional place?
**Unknown:** Of course, if you get really good news or, you know, you have a, a financial success or you, you have, you know, something that you did that ended up working out really, really well, you know, you're going to have that positive reinforcement which is gonna raise your level of consciousness, and, you know, you can really leverage that. You can leverage that because where attention, uh, goes, energy flows. So you can find that, you know, something happens, it elevates you, and you're... and you, you understand the power that you have, the power of your mind, the power of your consciousness, and you can find that, you know, one opportunity presents after the next.
**Unknown:** But the thing is, is that we have to always ground ourselves to remember thatChallenge and opportunity are synergistic. You know, we can have these really great opportunities present ourselves. One, we have to be fucking aware of them. There's a lot of opportunities that pass people by because they're too focused on dumb shit.
**Unknown:** They're focused on dumb people that are draining their energy. They're, they're just... They're, they're not paying attention essentially. You know, if we can, we can raise our level of consciousness so we can be more aware, you might find that everything you need is right in front of you.
**Unknown:** Based on the law of physics, everything you do need is right in front of you. It's just a matter of how you look at it. And so, you know, you might be looking at certain things as challenges, but they're actually amazing opportunities, but you don't trust the process. You might, you know, you might have a lot of shit going down at work that you're like, "I can't do this anymore," like, "I do not wanna be here.
**Unknown:** I hate this place." And you're not taking it as opportunity, you're taking it as a full challenge. Instead of thinking, "Is this a push? Is this a push to route me to what I really want to do? To route me to start looking at other opportunities?" You know?
**Unknown:** The same thing with, with a friends group. Like, y- you know, sometimes, sometimes we can't always rationalize things. It's just a feeling. And most of us will shove that, we'll shove it away because we, we don't...
**Unknown:** We can't logically explain it. But all we know is that, you know, that new friend or that old friend, you're just like, "Ugh." Like, "Ah." Just not loving our conversations, getting a little drained by this person, not super excited, you know, for the meetups that we have scheduled. And you're, you'll always play the game of the pros and cons list of, "Oh, but I've known them forever, and they're nice, and they're this, and they're that, and she's my neighbor," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But intuitively, it's, it's saying, like, you are growing and you are...
**Unknown:** Your level of consciousness is surpassing this person, 'cause maybe this person just wants to talk about draining things. Maybe they love drama. Maybe they're always glass half empty, and now you're getting drained by, by that experience. And so this is an opportunity to say, how can you surround yourself around...
**Unknown:** with other people that are either same playing field or gonna continue to bring you up the level of consciousness? So when you, when you understand this, this isn't about like, "Oh, my God, I live in fear all the time. I guess I'll never be successful or happy." Like, it's... That's not the point.
**Unknown:** The point is, is that, you know, there, there is this whole spectrum of emotions, and it's a matter of how can you, how can you use it? How can you use it to say, "Wow, like, there is actually a science behind where I'm at. If I feel more peaceful and grounded and neutral, then that means that I'm right here in the middle of this consciousness." So, you know, I could either choose to let people and situations bring me down the level of consciousness and make me drop back into bullshit and fear and comparison game, and I can live in that place, which doesn't feel good, or I can set myself up with the right people and the right situations to bring me... continue to allow me to go up the ladder.
**Unknown:** So i- it's your choice. Like, you're, you're not a victim of any of your circumstances, you're actually a co-creator of your circumstances, and you have a choice. You have a choice to scroll on social media and watch the news and stress yourself out. You have a choice to play comparison game with half the fake shit on the internet.
**Unknown:** You have a choice to stay in the job you hate. You have a choice to stay with the friends group of people that are draining you and, and not giving you anything. You have a choice. You have a choice, but I never said that choosing differently i- is easy.
**Unknown:** Most of it's not, and that's why we get stuck. But I always challenge people to think about it this way. You know, there was a theme in my life and, and I realized how it served me. It's also held me back in certain ways, but I observed a lot of things that I didn't want.
**Unknown:** You know? I observed parents that were very much victim mentality, you know, paycheck to paycheck, really, really struggling. A lot of emotional turmoil, abuse, physical, mental. You know, they endured some shit, and they chose to be victims to that, which dictated so much of their future.
**Unknown:** It dictated even, um, some of my outcomes as a young kid. And I heard the same stories, same stories of how everyone, you know, did them wrong and betrayed them and treated them poorly and this and that. And I- I don't know what it was, but I just was like, "I don't want any of this." And I had a bigger fear around becoming a victim than taking risks. So I had a bigger fear of, I don't want this to be my outcomes, so I'm, I'm, I'm okay with making bold decisions and taking risks and doing scary shit if that will yield a different outcome.
**Unknown:** Because I sure, eye- eye sure as hell... I'm not going to go over here. I, I can't go over here. So it's all about how you leverage the fears that you have.
**Unknown:** You know, if you have a fear of, of sickness, what are you doing about it? How are you being proactive in that?'Cause it's all about the tools that you have. You know, I thought about this the other day. I was talking to, uh, a client, and we ended up getting into this conversation, and I, I honestly had an aha moment, and I said, I was like, "If you told me tomorrow, somebody told me tomorrow that, um, you know, my health was, was 90% gone, like, I was 90% sick," I would say, "Okay, I got this." Like, pure confidence, I got this.
**Unknown:** But if I lost 90% of my money tomorrow, I'd freak the fuck out, and it's partly because of skill set and knowledge. So I've dedicated a large portion of my life to understanding the human body, the mind, health. I have a million tools under my belt from s- uh, psychological tools, meditation, hypnosis, uh, Demartini Method. Then there's all my technologies, amp coils, red lights, infrared, sauna.
**Unknown:** Like, you name it, I got all the tools. S- and a- and whatever I don't physically have, I, I know where to get it, where to seek it. So that's why you're d- me, the... I'm never gonna fear a loss of health because I, I, I've got that.
**Unknown:** Like, I have the knowledge. I have the tools. And obviously if I, if I didn't, then it would just be a matter of seeking out a person that I trust that does have it 'cause that's the thing. I'm not telling you guys to go become experts in health.
**Unknown:** Um, but you should take an interest in how you can be empowered in the thing that you fear and at least working with someone who empowers you, not just says, "Oh, just another pill, another pill, another surgery, another this, another that." But with the money side, this is something that I started to really, uh, like, learn about and take an interest in later in life, and it was partly out of a void. It was because I built my business purely based off of my mission. I didn't really... I, I did...
**Unknown:** I wanted my business to obviously support my lifestyle, but it was... it wasn't about the money. It was, it was about the mission and the purpose, and honestly, it w- it was a part of my identity, which has its downsides. And so really what it came down to is that I, I didn't nurture that.
**Unknown:** I didn't, I didn't build a massive skill set in how to earn money, keep money, invest money. It was just... It, it, it was... If I, if my, my toolbox was 100% full for health, my finance box was maybe, like, 25% full.
**Unknown:** So what that really was showing me is that it was time to build up a level of confidence and empowerment around that bucket. You know, I watched a video on the internet, and it was, uh, it, it was interviewing this finance guru, and she... They asked her, "If you had $10,000 left, what would you do with it to make it a million?" And she was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like, just spouting it off. And I was like, see?
**Unknown:** That... So that's me when it comes to health. Oh, if you were sick, if you got diagnosed with something very se- cancer, what would you do about it to, to completely, you know, resolve that, cure yourself? I'd be like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
**Unknown:** And it was just this moment I'm like, I wanna get to that place. I wanna get to that place that I'm a master of that. And it's not that you have to be a master in everything. It's just master the things that you fear the most because you're be- you're disempowered if you fear something.
**Unknown:** If you fear your health, you're disempowered. If you fear money, you're disempowered in that bucket. If you fear the loss of family, fear the loss of... or, or fear isolation and loneliness, like, work on it.
**Unknown:** Master it. Master people. Master understanding people. Master yourself, your own behaviors, your own consciousness.
**Unknown:** So we can't navigate our lives just with our fucking head in the sand. If you want a great life, like, you can't just say, "I get up. I have my coffee. I go to work." Like, learn something.
**Unknown:** Buy a new book. Spend some time by yourself. Go to the fucking beach with the book. Like, listen to an audiobook.
**Unknown:** Listen to a podcast in your car. Like, do something that you feel like you're tapping into your cre- creative inspiration, you are learning something new that you can use. Like, don't always bury your head in a fictional book that's telling stories about bullshit. Like, what can you do in order to raise your level of consciousness, to build the toolbox, become more of a master of the things that you fear?
**Unknown:** This is where the magic happens. All right, guys, that's all I got for you, but I hope it was inspirational. We thank you so much for being an avid listener of Integrative U Radio, formerly known as Integrative Wellness Radio. We appreciate all of your support.
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