Inside the Hospital: Protecting Yourself from Medical Errors & Death
Episode 279
This episode dives deep into the chaos and complexity of navigating the hospital system during a family health crisis. Dr. Nicole and Dr. Nick share their personal experience advocating for a loved one after a stroke, exposing the pitfalls of blind trust in conventional medicine, the dangers of medication mismanagement, and the critical importance of asking quality questions. They challenge listeners to step up as empowered advocates, highlighting that true health requires education, vigilance, and self-investment—not just defaulting to the status quo. #MedicalAdvocacy #HospitalNavigation #EmpoweredHealth #AskBetterQuestions #StrokeRecovery #PatientAdvocate #IntegrativeYou #HolisticHealth #QuestionEverything #HealthFreedom 3 Key Takeaways: Blind trust in the medical system can be dangerous: The leading cause of death is iatrogenic (medical error), so it’s crucial to question everything and never assume the experts always have your best interest at heart. Advocacy starts with education and asking better questions: Don’t be afraid to demand details, read package inserts, and challenge recommendations—your loved one’s outcome depends on it. Investing in your own health is not a luxury, it’s a necessity: Waiting for a crisis to learn is a losing strategy. Daily self-education, prevention, and mindset work are non-negotiable if you want to stay empowered and out of the system’s traps. Quotes: “The quality of your life is dictated by the quality of questions you ask. If you don’t ask quality questions, you’re going to eventually be forced into a circumstance that makes you.” “Being alive doesn’t mean you’re winning. The system’s designed to lose—and if you don’t take control, someone else will.” Find Integrative You Radio On: Website Youtube Apple Spotify 2 Doctors Committed to Innovating the Healthcare Experience. Integrative You Radio is hosted by husband-and-wife duo, Dr. Nicole Rivera and Dr. Nick Carruthers. With their voracious curiosity for Integrative Medicine, th
Topics: medical, health, unknown, system, integrative, hospital, death, medicine
Key takeaways from this episode
- ## Inside the Hospital: Protecting Yourself from Medical Errors & Death
- Blind trust in the medical system is dangerous, as medical errors are a leading cause of death.
- Become an informed advocate by asking detailed questions and seeking in-depth understanding of treatments and medications.
- Investing in your ongoing health education and preventative practices is crucial to avoid becoming a victim of the system.
- Consequences of medical errors
Pull quotes
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We will be sprinkling in some truth bombs for our healthpreneurs, so they can join us in our mission to evolve healthcare.
If you are health curious and growth focused, you are in the right place. **Unknown:** But buckle up because this is real, this is raw, and this is disruptive.
Transcript
**Unknown:** Welcome to Integrative U Radio hosted by Dr. Nick Carruthers and yours truly, Dr. Nicole Rivera. This is the place where you become limitless.
**Unknown:** We are covering the latest and greatest topics, of course, in a disruptive fashion around integrative medicine, mental health, and human behavior. We are also covering how those topics affect the human and family dynamics. We will be sprinkling in some truth bombs for our healthpreneurs, so they can join us in our mission to evolve healthcare. If you are health curious and growth focused, you are in the right place.
**Unknown:** But buckle up because this is real, this is raw, and this is disruptive. This is Integrative U Radio. Just going right in, guys. So welcome back.
**Unknown:** This is part two, talking about needing an advocate for the medical system and essentially navigating really significant health crises within families. That's the whole arena that we're talking about here. So we've seen this many times over, and we understand it. Like it, it...
**Unknown:** You know, we understand why it happens. But I think it-- we live in a world right now, you have to educate yourself on health. Like, you don't really have the option to just put your blind trust into conventional medicine because if you look at the leading cause of death, it's called iatrogenic, AKA mistakes in hospitals, mistakes by healthcare providers. That is the leading cause of death.
**Unknown:** It's not cancer, it's not heart disease, it's not any of that. So you should probably take an interest in how can you best be your own advocate and also an advocate for your family. But what happens is we were-- You know, our original podcast is we were talking about my mom had a stroke, went to the hospital because we were concerned it was hemorrhagic. We 100% knew we needed a CT scan.
**Unknown:** We needed to see what's going on in the brain, and we need, we needed to know what we were working with. And she needed to get a tube in her head. She needed to get that pressure drained from her brain. If that pressure stayed, there could have been a lot more significant problems.
**Unknown:** So it was 100% necessary, and this is the beauty of the medical system, is they do things like that that can make or break outcomes. Because if somebody had a stroke and there was a huge delay and that pressure built up in the brain and the inflamma-inflammation built up in the brain, that would create permanent damage in the brain. Or I don't wanna say... Nothing is really actually permanent.
**Unknown:** That's a whole nother podcast in itself, but it could create bigger issues down the road. It'd be a lot more difficult to overcome. Yeah. Hundred percent.
**Unknown:** Hundred percent. But in situations like this, people move into fear. Fear of, "Is she gonna be okay? Is she gonna die?
**Unknown:** Is she gonna have brain damage? Is she gonna be a vegetable? Is she gonna be able to walk again?" And when we do that, we put trust in other parties that maybe we shouldn't. And also when we're in that state, we can't think, we can't think straight and we're just like, "Whatever needs to be done.
**Unknown:** Whatever needs to be done. Give her whatever. Oh my God, she's in pain. Oh, she's having a panic attack.
**Unknown:** Give her the medication. Give her the medication." And if you don't ask questions and you don't even use fucking Google at minimum, serious shit can happen. And essentially what I'll lead with here is that there were, over the course of the past three and a half weeks that my mom went from emergy-emergency room into a rehab, there have been three different medications advised on three different occasions that were contradictory, contraindicated to stroke. One of the drugs, the primary side effect was death.
**Unknown:** And you know why I know that? It is because, one, I asked questions, and two, Google. Literally you can go on Google, you can type in the name of a medication and right after you type in the name, you type in package insert. It gives you the exact PDF of the little insert that goes in the box with the medication, gives you all of the side effects, the contraindications, black box warning, everything.
**Unknown:** Anything that you need to know is in that package insert. And so they rec- they recommended a drug to help with spasming in her arm because, uh, her arm is still not really operational from the stroke. And so they said, "You know, we wanna be proactive and make sure she doesn't get any muscle spasms in her left arm." Sounds so benign, right? Like, oh, okay.
**Unknown:** I don't, I don't want my mom to have muscle spasms in her arm. But I'm like, "What's the drug? I would like to know the name. I would like to know the dose that you're gonna recommend.
**Unknown:** I would like to know how often you're gonna give it to her," et cetera, et cetera. Go on my lovely friend Google, put in the medication name, put in package insert. This was the drug. Contraindi-indicated to stroke.
**Unknown:** If someone has had a stroke, there is a strong probability that they would have another stroke, but if she did have another stroke in the hospital or in the rehab, they would've been like, "Oh-Yeah. Well, you know, she had one, so it makes sense she had another. The problem is still there when it's actually medication induced, and literally the primary side effect was fucking death. All to eliminate the possibility of a fucking muscle spasm.
**Unknown:** Mm-hmm. How's this benefiting you? In this moment, it makes me very happy- Yeah ... about what I fucking do.
**Unknown:** In, in that moment when you look up the package insert and you're like, "Fucking dumbasses." Well how does it benefit me? This is, by the way, this is what Nick does to you when you work with us. Um, it makes me more educated in knowing that medication should be the last resort, and that the body is very strong and very powerful and very resilient, and especially when you give it what it needs and you don't put things in that have crazy side effects. Yes.
**Unknown:** And I would still challenge that that's actually a superficial level, um, because deeper, you started out that, you know, we, we say yes, you know, initially because many different reasons, but it's all coming back to a state of fear. Mm-hmm. And when we're in a state of fear, you said that we give our trust to somebody else, somebody that has more certainty. Unfortunately, most of that certainty through the medical system isn't beneficial certainty to an extent.
**Unknown:** Maybe beneficial for the spasm, but you know, not beneficial for creating another stroke or possibly killing the person. So what you actually did in that process, and how it benefited you, is it made you increase the strength of your neural pathways, of your belief systems, of your thinking to say, "Universe, throw anything you can at me," you know? Because you... Right now you're throwing the possibility of me losing my mom, and I just have the ability to overcome fear to be more certain myself.
**Unknown:** Yeah. To be more empowered myself. The more empowered you are, power is a direct, a direct correlation to the amount of love you have for yourself. Mm-hmm.
**Unknown:** Anytime that you're disempowered, it just... It's the amount of inability to love yourself, and you can't love your mom if you don't love yourself. So you had to love yourself enough to be able to ask questions, to be able to increase the certainty, to be able to provide for your mom. Yeah.
**Unknown:** And that's the opportunity that was given to you, which is fucking beautiful, because there's not many moments in life that will challenge certainty and give you fear to the aspect of losing a family member. Yeah. But it's like I also think it goes back to what you always say is, you know, the, the quality of your, of your life is dictated by quality questions, and it's like the quality of your outcomes is dictated by quality questions. And I think that a lot of people don't know the right questions to ask when you're in a hospital setting, when you're in an emergency setting.
**Unknown:** And don't get me wrong, there's a very powerful, authoritative energy coming from doctors and nurses. They don't want you to challenge them. They don't like being asked questions. At one point, there was a doctor that got very intense with, um, my dad, and then I had to step in and he, you know, he was able to, to soften when he, he understood why we were asking the questions that we were.
**Unknown:** So I understand how people kinda get punked out in these types of situations, but you fucking have every right to be asking questions to understand the whole picture of how a family member is being, being treated and what's being recommended. You know, uh, one of the other factors that I, I think that could've been very, very confusing for family members in this same situation that we've been in is that, uh, when my mom was first admitted, and it was in the f- within the first week where she was in the emergency room, you know, of course we're evaluating, we're observing her in a, um, not a great cognitive state. And we're trying, we're looking at this of like, "Is this damage from the stroke? Is this damage from the hemorrhage?
**Unknown:** Is this medication induced?" Like, what is this? It's hard to know. It's very hard to know, even when you're, you know, asking questions. And at one point my mom was...
**Unknown:** They sat her up, and she was slopped over to the, to the side, which was her left side, which is the side of paralysis, and she's like, "Oh," like, and I... This is gonna be kind of funny, because I asked my mom, I go, "Mom, how do you feel in this moment? Like, do you feel anxious? Do you feel worried?
**Unknown:** Do you feel calm? Like, what do you feel right now? Do you feel confused?" She's like, "I feel really relaxed." And I was like, "You ain't never relaxed." So I pu- I go, "Dad, turn the phone." I go, "She's high as fuck." And it turned out that they were giving her excessive amounts of oxycodone, which is a narcotic. It's an opioid.
**Unknown:** It is literally essentially the same thing as heroin, it's just time released. And I started to... You know, and listen, she just had a stroke. I imagine that it feels like somebody put a, a spike through her head.
**Unknown:** I am not going to be ignorant to that to say, "Get her off all these pain medications." But one, there are other pain medication options. Why was the first option to put her on oxycodone? It's not that it's the strongest out there and nothing else competes with it. That's not the case at all.
**Unknown:** There, there's morphine, there's other, there's other opportunities.And so I started to ask questions. I'm like, "You know, what's our reasoning for putting her on oxycodone?" number one. Number two is, "What is the, what is the max dose you'll go to, um, in her situation? And how many times a day, uh, are you allowed to administer this?" They could go up to 10 milligrams up to six times a day.
**Unknown:** 60 milligrams of oxycodone for, you know, a 5'2" woman. You want her to become an addict? Because all you have to do is give her one 10 milligram dose per day and she'll be an addict. Did you take a history on any type of addiction tendencies?
**Unknown:** Nope, none of that. You know, "We feel the benefit outweighs the risk." The way they answer you is, like, you know, it's very robotic. They have been trained very, very well. And I was like, "Guess what?
**Unknown:** Why don't we fucking try Tylenol, Tylenol codeine, and let's just..." We're no, hard no on the oxy. And literally she looked like a heroin addict, and 'cause unfortunately, you know, uh, there wasn't anybody like- Well, you can tell just by looking at her eyes, like, you know- Yeah ... there's a difference when looking at somebody's eyes that's gonna be... The nervous system's gonna be affected by both the drugs and stroke, but you know, the stroke, the eyes are gonna look completely different.
**Unknown:** Um, and you could tell it was drug-induced. Yeah, the pupils are really small. Yeah, yeah. But, but then in addition, you know, there are many people that might be listening here that have taken, um, sleep medications.
**Unknown:** You know, Ambien is the most commonly prescribed one. And so one morning we saw that she was really cognitively off again, and then it turned out... My dad leaves at night because he has to go home. They have a dog, take care of the dog, and then he always goes back early in the morning.
**Unknown:** And he's like, "Something's off, something's weird." And it turned out that she couldn't sleep, so they came in and they gave her Ambien. And Ambien, contraindicated for brain injury, number one. Number two is it can make you, uh, delirious, hallucinatory, especially if there's brain inflammation already. And, you know, she was acting bizarre.
**Unknown:** She was having a panic attack, et cetera, and it was because of the Ambien. Um, so then, you know, then we're like, "Okay, so no oxycodone, no Ambien." And once we finally signed off that she was not gonna be put on any of these mind or altering types of medications, we're like, "Whoa, there she is. There's, there's the woman we knew." Don't get me wrong, is she struggling with words? She gets a...
**Unknown:** You know, it's, she's a little slower to respond. She gets, you know, her words twisted a little bit. That's, her brain's still inflamed. Like, we expect that.
**Unknown:** We don't think it's permanent, but we expect that there's gonna be some level of difference from who she was prior to the stroke. And, but as soon as we got those drugs out of the picture, we're able to really see where she's at. But it could... You know, think about fueling your fear and anxiety and your worry is when you're looking at a person you love and you're like, "What's wrong with them?
**Unknown:** What's wrong? What's wrong?" And it has nothing to do with what damage is actually there. It has to do with the fucking drugs they're giving them. Yeah.
**Unknown:** It's, I mean, it's very, it's almost impossible to make intelligent, objective decisions when subjectively everything's been altered. Yeah. And, and then they were also giving her drugs like trazodone and gabapentin. For those of you interested in knowing about those drugs, we have a blog on our website, goes in depth about it, but they've found that both of those drugs create neuronal damage, damage to the neurons.
**Unknown:** Why are we creating more neuronal damage in a person that already has damage from a stroke to the brain? So i- it's just the, the standard and, and what is allowed in these settings is, to me, fucking crazy, but it's, to, to them, as I'm having conversations with these healthcare professionals in the hospital, they're just like, "Oh, okay. You know, well, you know, we, we just felt like she had nerve pain. You know, she's been saying her back hurts, so we just thought that that was appropriate." I'm like, "Yeah, but the whole reason she's there is because of a stroke, so can...
**Unknown:** Like, did we forget that? Like, what's happening here?" It... So if- Well, it's just, I, I think their training isn't, you know, based off of- It's patch, patch. Well, yeah, it's- "Oh, my toe hurts." "Oh, we'll give you something for that." "Oh, my back hurts." "We'll give you something for that." And it's like they lose sight of the whole reason she was there.
**Unknown:** They're not interested in actually rehabbing the stroke. They're just interested in just making sure that she's comfortable so they don't get sued. Word. Yeah.
**Unknown:** There's only so much I can say on a podcast. Mm. Yeah. So, so the point that we're bringing this to your attention is because, one, if somebody goes into a hospital setting and shit starts to go bad, shit starts to go downhill, because I hear this a lot, this might not be because, oh, the health is just declining, or this person is just, you know, uh, this is just the, the reality for this person, this condition, this heart attack, this stroke, this whatever.
**Unknown:** It could be the interventions not being appropriate for the person. It could be the interventions that are actually problematic. So you need to ask questions. And if you don't know the fucking answer to the questions, if you don't know like, "What does this medication do?" you don't, you don't know, then hire someone who can help you, someone who can be an advocate that l- is looking at the big picture.
**Unknown:** Use Google, for the love of Pete. Like-And use that tool that we just told you. Put the medication in and type in package insert, and you can at least have some information and ask quality questions. Like, "Oh, I see here that the package insert says these side effects are possible," you know.
**Unknown:** "Why would we want to give this?" You know, "How long would we be giving this for?" Et cetera, et cetera. And so it allows you to feel more empowered in these conversations and not make decisions out of fear, but make decisions that you feel like are more aligned to the outcomes that you desire. And, and also you, you have to understand how powerful the body is and how resilient the body is. It is not that, you know...
**Unknown:** The hospitals and, and most medical professionals, they wanna give you worst case scenario because honestly they don't want to give you hope that doesn't, it doesn't turn out that way. They don't wanna say, "Oh, well, it's possible for full recovery," and then if the person doesn't have full recovery and now you're saying, "But you said that there was a possibility for full recovery," they don't wanna take that responsibility. And so, you know, you have to understand that you're being given worst case scenario information because that's a way that they kinda cover their ass. You know, it's a way that they don't get themselves in trouble for saying the wrong thing.
**Unknown:** So I'm just gonna go there. Um- Not, not to the depths that I want to. Um, all those things are true, but they're still honestly still very superficial. Um, you know, it's like there's the, the anger and the rage that you have for, you know, the lack of quote unquote "common sense," um, on the recommendations, the prescriptions of things.
**Unknown:** You're just like, no. If, if, if you're using common sense and you're like, oh, this person, you know, has cramping or has whatever going on, you're like, you're not gonna give them medication for that if it's gonna create actually more harm than benefits. You know? Yeah.
**Unknown:** You're saying that it's gonna benefit them short term, but yeah, but you might fucking kill them in the, the longer short term. Um, and you know, it's like you don't give people hope and all these things, but you know, you look at, like you said, the biggest cause of death are those decisions that their interactions are creating. And then you also look at science, and what's the biggest thing that makes change? Do you know off the top of your head?
**Unknown:** Just tell me. I don't know. I don't know which way you're going with this. So- The placebo effect.
**Unknown:** Okay. See, yes. So scientifically, scientifically proven, quote unquote, "the medical system kills the most people," and a belief is what saves the most people. Yeah.
**Unknown:** And they're instilling a belief system of worst case scenario, and if that's the belief system, the placebo effect is gonna say, "Hey, this isn't gonna work." And then we're gonna give them recommendations that are gonna create interactions that are gonna fuck them up more. You're in a lose-lose situation. If you get out there, great. You're...
**Unknown:** Literally, go buy a lottery ticket because you're a fucking winner, you know? You... It's, the system's fucking designed to lose. Yeah.
**Unknown:** Being alive doesn't mean you're winning. The system's designed to lose. And guess what? There's an equal and opposite reaction, so if you're losing, guess what?
**Unknown:** Somebody else is winning. Who's that that's winning? I'm not gonna say it on the podcast, but just think. Yeah.
**Unknown:** Follow the money. Follow the control. This isn't just designed to keep... It, it's designed, what we talked about, to keep you disempowered, to keep you in a state of fear, to keep you controlled, to keep you broke, to keep, to keep you fucking not living your life- Keep you paying thousands- ...
**Unknown:** not thriving ... of dollars for medical insurance for the just in case, for the what ifs, when you could be investing that in ways to be proactive in your health. Or, or just enjoying your life. Or yeah, or just go on fucking vacation, go live on an island somewhere.
**Unknown:** Yeah. And eat coconuts. Like... See, I'm not against the system, because emergency case has its, its aspect, but soon as they quote unquote "keep somebody alive," for the most part everything after that is designed to fuck you up.
**Unknown:** And it's also- They don't know this ... a bit of- And the doctors don't know that, the nurses don't know that. Like- No ... it, this is designed from a very, very intelligent awareness high above.
**Unknown:** Yeah. And so like I said, it's like, well, you- And it's also a game to get your s- get, to even get discharged. So when the medication was recommended with the side effect of death and a si- the side effect of potential stroke, um, you know, I, I had a conversation with my dad. I was like, "We need to get her discharged because now this is scary.
**Unknown:** Like, this is... Like, what if they give it to her, somebody doesn't read the notes, the chart notes that we are denying this, and somebody gives it to her?" Um, I was like, "You know, we need, we need to get her the fuck out of here." And they're playing the game of insurance. "Oh, well, if you get her, if you discharge her early, then you're not going to have the insurance cover X. The insurance won't necessarily pay for the wheelchair.
**Unknown:** The wheelchair is $20,000. If you wanna pay for it out of pocket. They're, you're not gonna get all the home care. You won't be eligible for this.
**Unknown:** You won't be eligible for that." So it's a fucking game. It, it's bullshit the way that it's set up. So then, you know, you're like you have to be independently wealthy if you wanna say, "Fuck off, I wanna save her and get her the hell out of here." So now instead we have to be, like, hypervigilant with being on top of everything-And making sure that, you know, we are monitoring every doctor, nurse that's going in and out of her room to s- keep her safe and get her out of the fucking rehab. So yeah.
**Unknown:** It's some wild shit. Um, and, you know, uh, at the end of the day, it's like people... This has to be a conversation. And for those of you that might be doctors or nurses that are listening to this, like, this is not to shit on you guys by any means.
**Unknown:** This is more so that, you know, there's a lot... Like, it's very difficult. Hospitals are huge. There are, you know, people rotating on floors.
**Unknown:** Like, you guys are tired. Half the time you don't have time to eat. You're drinking caffeine to stay awake. Like, it's a, it's an unhealthy environment even for you as the workers.
**Unknown:** Um, and there's also a system set in place. Like, it's not like you walk in as the nurse and you can just... You're free to do what you think is best for the client or the patient. We know that, like, it's like you gotta follow rules.
**Unknown:** You gotta make sure this T is crossed and this dot, I is dotted. Like, you... I get it. We get it.
**Unknown:** But at the end of the day, it's just, you know, there has to be more of a, of a level of case management, and there has to be a deeper look at what was the origination for w- this person coming in, opposed to just palliating symptoms. That's what we found is that, okay, it was immediate focus on the stroke within the first couple of days, and then it was all about palliating symptoms. Palliate the fact that her back hurts, palliate that she has some nerve pain here, palliate the headache, palliate this. And that's where the problems start.
**Unknown:** Because if you're patchworking with all these different medications, patches, this and that, things interact, things are contraindicated. This is where the problems start. No, I think the problems started when all society sees this and we ignore it, and then we still say, "Okay, I'm not gonna deal with my emotional issues. I'm still gonna eat like shit.
**Unknown:** I'm still gonna overly drink. I'm still going to..." You know, we, we breathe in toxins every single day just because of- Yep ... industry, and I'm not gonna do, you know, a quarterly, at least a yearly detox to flush out and, you know, have a healthy kidney, have a healthy liver, um, to be able to actually regulate my immune system. Um, I'm not gonna take probiotics to make sure there's a diverse colony that my cells can communicate properly together and actually make the neurotransmitters for my brain to help actually give my mind a better chance to be regulated in, in a state of equanimity.
**Unknown:** Like, it, that's the fucking problem, is that- But I think at the end of the day- ... we wait, we wait ... people don't know what they don't know. We wait.
**Unknown:** Yeah. But that's, that's the, that's the problem. No, I know. You don't know because you don't ask better quality questions.
**Unknown:** That's why my favorite quote is, "The quality of your life is dictated by the quality of the questions you ask." You don't ask quality questions, you're going to eventually be forced into a circumstance that is going to make you ask better quality questions. Or, you can be preventative and not wait for that shit to happen. And w- unfortunately, quote-unquote, s- most of society is going to chase pleasure, short-term pleasure, that's going to lead them to that long-term pain, that then they'll have to be able to deal with this really bad moment in their life to be able to learn this. But it's just common sense to say, "Hey, you can do just a little bit every single day.
**Unknown:** Start learning just a little bit every single day. Start balancing your mind a little bit every day. Start meditating just a little bit every single day. Stop watching social media- But I think that it's, it's- ...
**Unknown:** and TV just a little bit every single day." It's such a impressive accomplishment that we have as, I don't even wanna say as, like, the US, the society of the US, like the world. And don't get me wrong, some cultures are better than others, but there is a, a underlying program that it's a luxury or it's not necessary to invest in yourself. Like, and this is from your mental health, your physical health, your, um, you know, your, your being a better leader, being a better parent, being a better business owner. Like, it's like, no, you just work.
**Unknown:** You just work. You know, you go on some vacation sometimes. You know, you get your pension, and you know, you make money. And, but you don't have to invest in yourself.
**Unknown:** You don't have to learn about your mental health. You don't have to learn about your physical health. You don't have to learn. You just, you know, you just hire other people for that stuff.
**Unknown:** Um, I think that's one of the most impressive accomplishments that the world has been able to, you know, whatever you wanna call it. It, it's been able to create that belief system that, you know, you don't have to invest in yourself. Um, and then for the people that do, they get ostracized, or they get, um, deemed crazy, or like, "I can't believe you spend money on that," or, "I can't believe you bought a sauna," or, "I can't believe you bought this or this or that." It's, um, it's such an interesting concept when you really, like, zoom out and look at it. All right.
**Unknown:** I want, I wanna wrap this up because one of the things that I'm gonna w- end with that is gonna lead into our next is we talked all about the hospital. We talked about all these medications they've been recommending, and they've been pushing for anxiety medications. Reason being is panic attacks. And we have pushed back to not palliate her panic attacks, and there's a very, very, very specific reason why, and we're gonna talk about that in the next podcast.
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