The Psychological Root of Parasites (And Why You Can’t Clear Them)
Episode 267
In this episode, Dr. Nicole Rivera and Dr. Nick Carruthers challenge the conventional view of parasites, revealing how unresolved emotions—especially anger—can keep you stuck in cycles of chronic infection and poor health. They share personal stories and clinical insights showing that true healing often happens when you address both the mind and the body, not just the symptoms. Sometimes, parasites even play a protective role until you’re ready to let go of old emotional patterns. The episode encourages listeners to reflect on how holding onto pain or anger may be hindering their progress, and spotlights the power of emotional healing for lasting, generational health. #IntegrativeMedicine #MindBodyHealing #ParasiteCleanse #EmotionalHealth #FunctionalMedicine #HolisticHealth #ReleaseAnger #QuantumHealing #GenerationalHealth #IntegrativeYou 3 Key Takeaways: Parasites Aren’t Just Physical—They’re Emotional: Persistent parasite infections often mirror unresolved emotional states, especially anger. True healing requires addressing both the biochemical and emotional roots, not just taking more supplements. Anger as Fuel (Until It Isn’t): Anger can be a powerful motivator, but when it stops serving you, it can keep you stuck—physically and energetically. Letting go of anger can be the missing link to finally clearing stubborn health issues. Your Mind Dictates Your Biology: The body is always seeking balance. When you shift your mindset and beliefs, you create real, measurable changes—sometimes even passing parasites without any supplements, just by doing the deep inner work. Quotes: “When you don’t need your anger anymore, you will pass your parasites.” “Understanding enhances belief—when you feel supported and know what’s happening in your body, your outcomes are better.” Find Integrative You Radio On: Website Youtube Apple Spotify 2 Doctors Committed to Innovating the Healthcare Experience. Integrative You Radio is hosted by husband-and-wife duo, Dr. Nicole Rivera and Dr
Topics: parasites, anger, emotional, integrative, health, healing, unknown, nick
Key takeaways from this episode
- ## The Psychological Root of Parasites (And Why You Can’t Clear Them)
- Parasites as Protectors:** In some cases, parasites may linger as a form of protection until an individual is psychologically prepared to process and release underlying emotional pain or trauma.
- Parasites and emotional health
- The impact of anger on physical well-being
- Generational health and emotional release
Pull quotes
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Transcript
**Unknown:** Welcome to Integrative U Radio, hosted by Dr. Nick Carruthers and yours truly, Dr. Nicole Rivera. This is the place where you become limitless.
**Unknown:** We are covering the latest and greatest topics, of course, in a disruptive fashion, around integrative medicine, mental health, and human behavior. We are also covering how those topics affect the human and family dynamics. We will be sprinkling in some truth bombs for our healthpreneurs so they can join us in our mission to evolve healthcare. If you are health curious and growth focused, you are in the right place, but buckle up because this is real, this is raw, and this is disruptive.
**Unknown:** This is Integrative U Radio. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Integrative U Radio. Uh, for those of you joining us on YouTube, Nick, give ev- everybody a wave.
**Unknown:** Mm-hmm. Ciao. For those of you listening, you can say hello. All right, guys, so there is always this topic when it comes to the world of functional and integrative medicine of parasites, and I don't know what it is, but people love talking about parasites.
**Unknown:** And th- the thing is, is we're bringing you a very different perspective today, and of course, if, uh, if you listen to our podcast, you know that a lot of our podcasts come from the offline conversations that Dr. Nick and I are having, either with each other or with other people. And we were talking about actually the topic of ALS and the fungus cordyceps, uh, which is another podcast we're gonna be diving into, which is gonna be super, super interesting. But then we were also talking about how parasites can hijack people, and the most common knowledge about parasite infections is, of course, they can wreak havoc on your gastrointestinal system, but they're also known to hijack behavior, change your mood.
**Unknown:** Uh, a very specific parasite called toxoplasmosis has been connected to bipolar, which by the way, uh, the reason why they tell women, uh, pregnant women specifically, not to change cat litter while pregnant is because of the risk of exposure to toxoplasmosis. So for those of you new to this topic, parasites are very real. They are, are very, uh, prevalent. They are things we get exposed to through the pets in our home, you know, animals that we eat, uh, bodies of water that we swim in.
**Unknown:** Uh, the list goes on. Crappy salmon. Bad sushi. So overall, one of the things that Nick said to me is that once you don't need your anger anymore, you will pass your parasites.
**Unknown:** You will eliminate or eradicate out your parasites. So we're gonna be diving into this, and we're gonna give you a lot more context around this, so just buckle up. Well, there's... You know, clinically you start asking better quality questions when you're not getting results.
**Unknown:** You know, it's like that's the definition of insanity, is to do the same thing over and over and expect a different result. So you have these opportunities, hence clients, uh, that sometimes don't always get the results that you wanted them to initially get. And let's say, you know, in this instance we're talking about parasites, so somebody's like... They come to you and they're like, "I've already done tons of parasite cleanses-" Mm-hmm.
**Unknown:** "... and I, and I see the parasites, you know, detoxing every single time," and then you test them and they still have parasites. And you're like, "Well, I'm not gonna do the same thing and expect different results." Like- Mm-hmm ... I'm, I'm great, but I'm not great in that way.
**Unknown:** I'm not, you know, overly special where I can do the same thing and get a different result. And- But also the level of compliance or... Compliance is maybe not the right word. The, uh...
**Unknown:** I'm just gonna say it and, and, and then, uh, you can probably describe or come up with the right word. But if, if you've tried supplements and you've tried even potentially pharmaceutical route, and then I give you or a different doctor gives you another version of that, you are already doubting because you're like, "Okay, so we're just kind of doing a, a different iteration of the same thing." And so, you know, this kinda goes back to the idea of placebo effect, is like your belief system does really impact your outcomes, you know? And if you're like, "I've, I've tried this, and now I'm doing it again, i- is this really what's gonna move the needle?" So that's kind of a, a, a sidebar that I just wanted to mention. No, and, and, you know, t- to play devil's advocate, you know, maybe your body just needed one more to reach that threshold to finally clear enough out- Mm ...
**Unknown:** for you to get the results that you needed. So, uh, nothing is an all, all or nothing principle. Of course. Um, but when I said that, this is just going higher up the ladder, uh, to a deeper root of causation.
**Unknown:** 'Cause most people are doing what I, what we call patchwork, you know? Most people are, are patching the ef- the effects or the damage from the cause, not that that's actually the causation, not that actually the parasite's the cause. The parasite's maybe showing up as the effect of the cause. And when you think of, of-Our quote-unquote sta- state of health just in like a, like a physicist looking at energy.
**Unknown:** Well, all energy is in a state of balance, so if there's something negative, there has to be something positive. There has to be... There's always a give and a take, which means there's also something that's always feeding, which means there always has to be a host. Mm-hmm.
**Unknown:** And when we can get to the root cause of, you know, looking at a parasite, a parasite is what? Something that's feeding off of a host. Mm-hmm. Well, if you take away the host, it- there's no more food, so there's gonna be starvation.
**Unknown:** There's gonna be die-off. There's gonna be a quote-unquote, "A natural parasitic detoxification." But the food is not necessarily just food, the, the substance of food. There are different types of food that will feed a parasite, and that can also be where you put your energy, your emotional state, and I'm sure, you know, you are gonna expand more upon that because that's, that's the interesting thing that people think it's so black and white. Oh, it's, it's eating the, the physical food that I'm consuming, but it will actually live, thrive, grow, reproduce based off of different versions of food, anger being one of them.
**Unknown:** Well, let's, let's look at what people know about food. So biochemically, you know, and physically, what are, what are parasites feeding off of usually? I- is this a trick question? Question to you.
**Unknown:** Uh No, no, just a typical question to you. What are they eating? Well, they eat all different types of things. They- they'll eat food, but then they'll also eat toxins.
**Unknown:** They will eat chemicals. They'll eat bacteria. They'll eat fungi. They, they will consume kind of whatever's in their path.
**Unknown:** They'll eat heavy metals. Yeah. Yeah. They'll eat all those things, and when you look at the body like a physicist, as we were talking about before, everything's just charge, and everything's trying to bring and make sure that charge is in a state of balance.
**Unknown:** So you'll always have a negative matching up with a positive, um, and you'll always have... You know, if you look at it through food, you'll have the consumption of- Mm-hmm ... either a, a negative overtaking a positive charge or that positive charge overtaking a negative charge, uh, to bring together- But this is also- ... to create that ...
**Unknown:** one of the reasons why sometimes people don't get rid of parasites, and they don't get rid of parasites despite their efforts because sometimes that parasite is playing a protective role in the body based off of what we've said. So we... W- I'm just trying to clear up any type of confusion for people thinking, you know, oh gosh, like parasites are eating all of these different toxic compounds, and that can definitely be one of the reasons why you're not able to eliminate out parasites because if your toxic load is so high, that parasite is actually creating a bit of a benefit and- Yep ... and this can also be very congruent with the, the emotional aspects that we're gonna talk about now.
**Unknown:** Um, and before I, we dive into that, one thing I do wanna say of why, why we also are doing this podcast is because, one, there have been people that didn't get res- uh, didn't have changes from certain parasite protocols with us or with other people, so there, there was that. Then the other thing observed was people that got rid of parasites, but then every time they did testing, they had more. It was like a reoccurring issue, and it just was never necessarily fully clearing. And then third is we've seen people that we've worked with, especially in our current methodology in the past few years, where we work on the mental, the emotional, the energetic, as well as the biochemical, and they have not been on supplements for gut, detox, anti-parasitic, and they've passed parasites, and they've been like, "I don't understand.
**Unknown:** Why am I passing parasites now?" And s- so there, there's kind of three different things that I want people to consider if, especially if you're, if you think you have parasites, you know you have parasites, is that this doesn't look one way and- No, it never- Go ahead. It never looks one way. Um, but I- I think it'd be weird for people to, to start looking at the body that everything is intelligently happening for a specific purpose. Yes.
**Unknown:** So if you have parasite infection, those parasites are there for a purpose. They're counterbalancing another energy. You know, it's like if, you said ALS earlier. If, if you have the symptoms of ALS and some type of neurodegenerative disease, call it a disease, um, there's a reason why, and that's actually a counterbalancing.
**Unknown:** It's, it's actually supporting life, um, if you wanna look at it that way, not health, but life, uh, because life just always wants to continue its next life cycle. That's, that's all life is ever trying to do, whether it's your life or a parasite's life or the life of a heavy metal. Um, it just wants to take itself to the next life, and in doing so, it needs energy. So when we look at it like this, you're looking at it like, well, okay, what's giving the parasite life, you know?
**Unknown:** I- is it heavy metal toxins? Is it chemicals that it's eating off of? Is it, you know, the-Biotoxins, like you said, from fungi or amoeba or something like that Mold exposure ... like, w-what's it, what's its fuel?
**Unknown:** And then you... That's all still physical, and then it's like, okay, well, those things were initially there. 'Cause you think parasites helping to clean up, it's not necessarily a bad guy. We have...
**Unknown:** You need parasites in some parts of your body to maintain health, um, and to thrive. So then you look at the, okay, well, what caused an imbalance of the mold of this and that? And, well, yeah, it, it needs to be in our environment, but we're constantly exposed to all these things in our environment, and that affects some people and not others. Well- Mm-hmm ...
**Unknown:** then you ask the question why, and it's all a game of resonance. Um, it's all a game of teeter-totter, of balance. Uh, what's, what's on the other side of the bridge, the scale? And 99.9% of the time, that's an emotion.
**Unknown:** Mm-hmm. And then it gets fun 'cause you start seeing and asking questions. Okay, well, there has to be a connection with the emotion to the parasite, so there's an aspect of host which means you could think of it of disempowerment. Um, something's over-empowering you, something's disempowering you, so you're disempowered somewhere in your life.
**Unknown:** That's usually connected- And that's why you could get hijacked ... yep, and that's usually connected mentally with the psychosomatic connection. Um, so there's the imbalance. Thinking of resonance, everything is attracted to geopositional balance.
**Unknown:** So like if you think of like a globe, uh, there's... if there's that negative on the bottom left, you could easily say if it's a one-to-one ratio, then that upper right quadrant, um, in the back, posterior, would be counterbalancing that. If you look at that in the body, well, you're gonna have, you know, a brain imbalance in that right hemisphere that's counterbalancing maybe the colon or- Mm-hmm ... um, the sigmoid colon or some aspect, uh, of the body down there.
**Unknown:** And, you know, the colon, you think of like that's storing, burrowing, not eliminating, uh, if you're holding onto something. Um, and you can just go back through people's history and see like, you know, when did this belief, when did this perception, when did this emotion, when did this root cause- Mm-hmm ... really start? 'Cause that's what changed the energy.
**Unknown:** And Bruce Lipton has taught us and scientifically proven this in the lab and gotten kicked out of teaching, um, at university because of this, is it's the field, the energy, the emotion- Mm-hmm ... that dictates the expression of the particle. Yeah. And the particle's the physical aspect which is connected to the imbalance, what we call the parasite infection, you know, the heavy metal toxicity, all of this, but it's not imbalanced.
**Unknown:** It's, it's not the problem. Um, w-we're, we're looking at it as giving something more power than what it truly has, where the, the power actually comes from the emotion 'cause that's the... that the emotion's the creator of everything. We just, we haven't been taught to connect so deeply that a stomach ache isn't more important than an emotional feeling, um, that's repetitive.
**Unknown:** Well, I think there's, there's two things to really point out when it comes to this idea of, of anger being one of the primary emotions and, and parasites potentially being the adaptation or, you know, the, the hijacking. And so, you know, we were just talking about how certain parasites can be beneficial to the body because maybe they're playing cleanup. Maybe they're, they're, uh, consuming and holding harmful toxins and chemicals and heavy metals. And, you know, we make jokes in our practice 'cause that's just the nature of who we are and, you know, we have certain clients we've worked with in the past and we're like, "Ooh, you have angry parasites." And that's our nice way of saying is, "Hey, we're gonna work on your anger issues." But- You have liver flukes ...
**Unknown:** but when you wanna think about this more from like the scientific perspective, so w- one of the things I'm gonna point out is what you just said, is, is liver. So if you've listened to other podcasts from us, we have been running an autoimmune liver panel. It's called autoimmune hepatitis disease. We've been running this panel for, gosh, I don't even know, maybe eight years now.
**Unknown:** And, you know, a- the statistic literally sits at about 98% of the people that we've tested over that timeframe have a positive autoimmune liver condition. When you wanna get into the Chinese medicine world, they're gonna talk specifically about anger, rage, frustration being held in the liver. So, you know, here, here is a, a correlation to the liver potentially being, um, overtaken with parasitic infections, which is very common, this autoimmune liver condition that many people are suffering with, I'm gonna say Americans 'cause that's the primary people we work with, and then Chinese medicine showcasing that the liver is associated with anger, rage. But then- So for...
**Unknown:** I know our people listening to us don't have, um, don't probably challenge us too much, but for somebody that's a disbeliever in like, uh, energies being held in different organ systems and, you know- Yeah ... over 2,000 years ago, that they knew that anger was held in the liver. Think about it, um, this in two ways, with drinking alcoholSo initially, actually, um, we're attracted to drink alcohol when we're angry because that initial drink actually helps activate the liver and the processing of liver. And the liver doesn't just filter out physical things, it also fil- filters out emotions.
**Unknown:** So you're helping the liver actually filter out anger, but then people tend to abuse alcohol- Yeah ... and drink too much, and then it hinders the liver as well as the mind. Yeah. And then people become what?
**Unknown:** Angry drunks. And it's kind of interesting too because even some of the, uh, well, before they were tainted and became compound liquors, you know, things like absinthe as an example, it's, it's like an old world drink and it's wormwood i- which is an anti-parasitic. So, you know, it- it's just kind of interesting when you... That's a whole different history to get into.
**Unknown:** Um, but I do- If they say it's bad for you now, it's probably good. If they say it's good for you- Right ... run away. But kind of going back, uh, to this idea of, of the association, the one other thing that I wanna point out, which I already said, but, you know, one of the parasites, toxoplasmosis, clinically has been connected a- and proven to be associated with the development of bipolar, especially if toxoplasmosis does get into the cerebral spinal fluid and it starts to affect the brain.
**Unknown:** And then for those of you who've never heard this, um, well, one, I know you heard the phrase, but expanding upon it is that growing up, I always heard the term, uh, especially with my New Jersey parents that were rage driving, 'cause they had their own parasites going on. But, you know, they would be driving and someone would cut them off and they would be like, "Ah, the crazies are out. It must be a full moon." And, and then if you ask most doctors or nurses that work in hospital settings, they will say the same thing, you know, when there was a flood in the ER of all of these crazy things happening. You know, they would say, "Oh, what is it, a full moon?" And what's kind of interesting about that, you know, funny phrase that we throw around is that underneath the full moon is when parasites are the most sexually active, it's when they're reproducing and it's thought that they will uptake, um, more of, of the emotion of, of anger, rage, frustration.
**Unknown:** So, so there's just some- Well, sex- Go ahead ... sex is just a magnifier of energy. So if you, you alchemically, uh, if you were to direct that energy to something, you'll have a, quote-unquote, "a better chance of manifesting that." So if there's parasites in you that are having sex, sex is sex, it's gonna magnify that energy, hence, you know, craziness, anger, whatever, uh, area that's located within the body. Mm-hmm.
**Unknown:** And it's kind of interesting because I'm gonna put you on the spot after I tell my story because the... So the whole, the whole foundation of why we're doing this podcast is that when you don't need your anger anymore is when you can eliminate out these types of organisms like a parasite. And I wanna make a specific point here because anger is not... It doesn't have the same face.
**Unknown:** And I think you and I have had, both have had pent-up anger issues, especially in our younger years. But on the surface- Who? Me? I don't know what you're talking about.
**Unknown:** I wasn't ever angry. On the surface, I think that most people would have classified Nick as the super nice, calm guy, and this even goes as far- Never trust the quiet ones. Never trust the- Literally. Never trust the quiet ones.
**Unknown:** And then for me, you know, people are like, "Oh, yeah, she's..." I remember when I lived in California- That bitch is crazy. Yeah. That bitch is crazy. Wow, you're really intense, or, wow, you're really angry.
**Unknown:** It was, uh, it was... I was... I thought I was normal, you know, coming from Jersey, and then I go to other places in the world and they're like, "Whoa, you are, you are something else." But what was kind of interesting is in my own journey, very similar to what we've described, is I did a lot of different protocols for parasites and didn't necessarily move the needle. Every time I would go and do my lab testing and my DNA testing, which is still testing that we do with our clients, I was constantly still coming up with parasites, and we did not know this connection in the past, and I was also not necessarily in a place mentally that I was open and willing to work on my anger.
**Unknown:** If anything, I was like, "I don't have anger." And it was, it was a series of time that it was kind of the perfect storm that I was going through my own upleveling, my own, um, like a phase of clarity when it came to my identity and who I was becoming, and that shift that I had mentally and emotionally, also in addition to some things that I was taking from the biochemical perspective, is when I, I passed a very, very large parasite. And then any time really after that point, any time parasites came out of my system, it pretty much never had anything to do with what I was taking or therapies I was doing. It was more about the, the upleveling that I was doing and the release of using my pain, using my, my anger because, you know, for you to have a, a, an understanding of what I'm saying here-And this is another podcast that we talked about this as well, is we will use our pain until it no longer serves us. So the, the anger that I had built up from childhood was actually my fuel to become the boss business owner that I became, which then yielded a certain level of, of success.
**Unknown:** You know, it allowed me to create a, a business, it allowed me to take risks, it allowed me to reach a certain level financially, but then it got to a point that it was no longer serving me, and I wasn't, I wasn't willing to settle, and I, I wanted to not feel stuck anymore. And in that journey of getting unstuck, I was able to stop using my pain and my anger for leverage, and I realized that more powerful leverage came from empowerment and came from humble confidence. And when I started to make that shift is when my body started to excrete these parasites out. A- and so this is really what we're encouraging you to explore, is that, you know, are you using your past pain, your past anger, you know, the, the rage from the person, the parenting, the situation, the old boyfriend, the old girlfriend, whatever, you know, are, are you using it, but also where's it keeping you stuck in your life?
**Unknown:** So we're gonna talk more about that, but Nick, I'm gonna put you on the spot because you ain't perfect. The kid who wanted to burn the world- I think I froze ... but was so sweet and nice and smiley on the surface. Let's go there.
**Unknown:** You're back. I think- We had a pause there. I think I froze. That's okay.
**Unknown:** I, I called you out and I said, "The kid who wanted to burn the world but was sweet and smiley on the surface." So, you know, you're, you're gonna, you're gonna tell your side of the story now. I think Nicole's, uh, polarized perception broke the radiation waves of the Ethernet here, so- Oh, yep. That's exactly what happened ... it's not me saying it.
**Unknown:** It's just, uh, universe talking to us. Um- My nickname when I was young was OC- ... for out of control. And that out of control, um, was because I was, I was functioning pretty close, um, to a fucking angry, uh, benchmark every single day.
**Unknown:** So it didn't take much, uh, to cross that line, and my brothers were amazing at it, um, like, to get me to cross that. But the... What was the question? What did you want me to explain?
**Unknown:** Primarily the point that I wanted to drive home is that y- you don't have to be the person do, uh, with road rage or the person that's running around picking fights or drinking a lot and being the angry drunk to necessarily be angry. There are a lot of people that potentially are using comedy in their day-to-day life as a cover-up for the deep either grief or anger that they hold. Um, and, and also sometimes when you, you don't feel like you had the love or the support in your life, like, you could feel sad on, on the surface, but deep down you're fucking angry. And s- and so I know that your, your manifestation of, of anger and your journey with parasites was not the same as mine.
**Unknown:** You know, people m- that met me when I was young were like, "That bitch is crazy. That bitch is angry." And, you know, for you, even throughout the duration of us owning a business together, you were the nice one. And- Well, we were- ... that, that didn't mean there wasn't inner turmoil going on ...
**Unknown:** under- understanding energy's always into the balance. And if you're in a relationship with somebody, that creates its own sphere of energy, um, which is always in balance. So, you know, Nicole was overly expressive and, you know, I might say her family, uh, is overly expressive. Where I came, and my family came from an vocally under-expressive, uh, family.
**Unknown:** To say the least. To say the least. And so, you know, a lot of pain and things that I had, I, I suppressed that, and whatever is suppressed has to be expressed. Um, there's...
**Unknown:** You, you can't... It's impossible to live a one-sided life. So you can't live all expression, you can't live all suppression. Health, vitality, gratitude, love, joy, it's, that's all in the middle, the balanced state where there's no force.
**Unknown:** So I channeled that, and people, a lot of people that didn't know me, um, would never say I was angry or anything because I channeled all that energy for the most part into sports and got all-state first team, um, what multiple different sports- And about 13 concussions, so- And- ... let's not glamorize it for everybody. And I... Well, I, I didn't.
**Unknown:** That was part of my escape. Um, and from doing the work that I do now, like, that was the deepest I could get into a meditative state without knowing how to meditate. Yeah, because this was many, many, many, many years ago. Many, many, many, many, many, many, many moons ago.
**Unknown:** Um-But long story short, doing the work that I do, it's like, yeah, I've taken stuff and I've passed parasites and I've broken biofilms and I've done these things, and that's been awesome. That's allowed less stress on my physical body, which allowed me to focus more even on the mental, emotional component. But you can only get to a point of working on the body f- so much where you do more and it doesn't give you any more. So you have to go higher up, and when you start working on the mental stuff, you don't even need to do stuff necessarily on the physical body, and you'll get the changes.
**Unknown:** Energy's bi-directional, so I mean, it's most efficient if, for results if you work on the body as well as working on the mind, which is what we do with ourselves and all of our clients, which makes it really, really fun. Um... And then also sometimes it's timing, you know? There...
**Unknown:** I think in you and I, our scenario, you know, our journey was intentional that we needed to strengthen some foundational physical biochemical systems for us, for our brains to operate better so that we could better do and receive the personal development human behavior work, which then led to more profound changes and breakthroughs. You know, there are some people that we see it on the flip side. We see some people that are able to do the, the mental, emotional, human behavior work, and, and then they have the detox. You know, Dr.
**Unknown:** Joe Dispenza, when I went to his event, that was like the first 10 minutes of the intro was talking about, um, gosh, what did... Oh, the Dispenza influenza. And you know- That's awesome ... he was primarily warning people saying this is a common thing is that people will do this meditative work for the seven days, and it's, it's very intense, and they change their brain waves, which then starts to change their DNA, and people will have detox type of reactions when they leave here.
**Unknown:** And so, you know, we're not saying that, uh, one is better than the other or anything is siloed out. Every person is different. Every person's journey is different, and it's, it's the phrase we always say, it's not about what you do, it's about how you do it. And so, you know, h- personal development, human behavior work, mental, emotional work, integrative medicine work, like all of it is relevant, powerful, and impactful, but if you are getting stuck, it's time to explore what you haven't explored.
**Unknown:** Now I wanna, uh, I think lastly retouch weirdly on what you said right at the very first, the placebo effect. Mm. You know, it's like if you think that something's gonna work, it's got a greater chance. You know, they've done tons of scientific studies and even surgeries and fake surgeries, as crazy as that sounds, um, to show that, you know, if the client thought that they were gonna get better from whatever they were doing, that highly increased the probability of change for, quote, unquote, "their achieved goal".
**Unknown:** And, you know, I never thought about it till now, but that's probably one of the awesome parts of working with the mind is the whole mind actually is just one big placebo effect. You know, whether it's attached to more benefits and that there's, thinks there's gonna be more good or it's attached to more drawbacks and is like, "Oh, this is more bad," that's, that's the mind going and creating a placebo effect, you know, achieving or not achieving. The fun part about working with the mind- Well, I think that half of what we... Go ahead.
**Unknown:** I'll let you finish. The fun part about what, how I work with the mind is it's always working on changing that ratio with somebody of being attached to more benefits or more drawbacks because it, it honestly doesn't matter which one you're doing, you're attracting the other to maintain balance. So you're out of balance. You know, quote, unquote, "You're not in that state of, you know, in science, the homeostasis of health." You're, you're, you have too much of something or too little of something, which creates symptoms.
**Unknown:** So when you work on helping yourself or a client get in to eq- equanimity, a balanced mind, well, there is no placebo effect, which is kind of crazy to think about. But- And there's no- My devil's advocate, 'cause you always likes to do this to me, is I do think that there's a compounding effect to really get to a place of equanimity, and what I mean by that is this is something that we only... We saw the drawbacks. We didn't, we didn't understand the other side of it.
**Unknown:** When we had our big practice, tons of employees, clinicians, tons of patients, you know, there was only... We could only be so many places in the day. There was only s- so quickly we could respond to people, et cetera. You know, it, it was just...
**Unknown:** We were d- we were trying to give five-star care in high volume, and it was a recipe for fucking disaster, let's be real. Um, so sorry- It was chaotic and often didn't even work ... for any of you that worked with us then. I, we learned, and I promise our model now is fantastic.
**Unknown:** Yeah. But the, the pain that we felt in that moment, and obviously the client felt, is stories could be created. So an example is, like, if somebody started something we told them to do and they had a headache or they had diarrhea or, or, you know, something even more intense, like their fucking left leg went numb. I don't know.
**Unknown:** They, if, if they don't have clarity on what the hell is happening, then it's gonna create a story, it's gonna create a Google search, it's gonna create a spiral, and then, you know, and then-... the, their symptoms will get worse. That left leg turns into now both legs are numb. You know?
**Unknown:** Like, oh, now I'm, I had so much diarrhea that I'm so dehydrated I gotta go to the hospital and get an IV. And so when we, we changed our model and we moved over to telehealth, and we created more of this concierge level of access, you know, one of the things that we were super happy about is that we could, we could answer questions or, or troubleshoot things very quickly. And what I realized is that understanding enhances belief, and this is part of this equanimity. Because if you, I- if you start having diarrhea after starting a protocol, and you've, one, understand why it's happening and if it's normal, but then you also feel supported to say, "Listen, if this lasts any more than 24 to 48 hours, you need to let me know and I'm gonna intervene, troubleshoot," et cetera, et cetera.
**Unknown:** Or if you say, "This is actually a really good thing. Give yourself the 24 hours. Get it all out. Make sure you stay hydrated," et cetera, then the person is like, "Oh, okay.
**Unknown:** I understand what's going on. I f- I believe in my body. I believe in the process." And now your outcomes are better. You don't have enough time for some fucking person to be like, "Oh my God, you're gonna die.
**Unknown:** You can't have, you can't have diarrhea for 24 hours." Like, "You need to go to the hospital." 'Cause that's, that's always what would happen, is like some person who was totally anti- natural medicine would get in the ear of the person and say, "You're an idiot, and you paid for that?" And it would spiral into like the craziest situation. The person would go to the ER, then the ER would say, "Oh yeah, you're crazy. What are you taking? Those herbs have killed people.
**Unknown:** You kn- didn't know that?" And then they like want their money back and they hate integrated medicine. And it's like the wildest thing. So like you're talking about, you know, furthering trust and belief or, or completely derailing it, and then, you know, and then what happens to, to that mental state for that person. So at the end of the day, the most important thing to control and keep in balance is your mind because that's what's gonna dictate a parasite showing up, a parasite leaving, heavy metal showing up.
**Unknown:** Think of like a battery, you know. There's heavy metals in a battery to what? Dissipate charge. So everything in your body is just counterbalancing the quality of your mind, and if you wanna have the best functioning enjoy your body life, well, it comes from putting work into balancing out that thought process.
**Unknown:** Yeah. No, 100%. And you know, and we say this to inspire you, um, and not to be like, "I'm just this angry person." Because as mentioned, you know, we all have some level of, of adversity that we experience in our lives or what we perceive as adversity, but very often when you have someone ask the right questions or, or help you widen the lens of the situation, you start to realize how you've been using it, and you've used it to actually gain s- in certain parts of your life, but that doesn't mean it's, it's worth holding onto. And especially if you're sitting around and you feel not 100% happy, not 100% content, not 100% fulfilled or satisfied, you know, that's just a feedback mechanism to say, you know, you've gotten this far but now you're stuck.
**Unknown:** And in our own personal reflection and in a lot of the work that we've done with clients is we've just, we've seen that, you know, your pain and your suffering will only get you so far, and that stuck I- is, is something that can 100% be overcame, but it's, it's raising that level of consciousness. It's, it's changing belief systems. It's, um, it's looking at life as both good and bad and looking at the benefits and the drawbacks. It's not looking at anything one-sided.
**Unknown:** I think that's, you know, as I've said in other podcasts and Dr. Dem- Martini says is the fantasy to the nightmare. You know? If, if you have a fantasy that life is supposed to be one-sided and it's only supposed to be good or there's only supposed to be, you know, health and there's o- only supposed to be peace, you know, you're, you're going to create your nightmare because there's both.
**Unknown:** So- I think it was Einstein that said you can't solve a problem with the same, uh, frequency or level of thinking Level of consciousness. Yeah Um, and that just comes down to it's like, you know, you don't... I mean, you can. There's multiple ways to do the same thing.
**Unknown:** Um, but I think the most powerful thing is to not wanna try to get rid of the pain and get rid of something because that's, that's part of you. You've used it for a long time a- and now it's not to treat it like shit now and not be grateful for it. It's saying, "Okay," like, "thank you. I'm gonna use you different now." And that takes a different level of thinking to change different possibilities of how you can use that pain, how you can transfer that pain into something else so you don't have to hold onto it.
**Unknown:** You don't have to use it the same. How to go back to where that pain came from and change the relationship with that so that there's not even pain anymore, so there's nothing to even use. Like, there's so many different ways to utilize that initialEmotion, we'll just call it pain right now, or anger, whatever you want, frustration, rage, et cetera, sadness, depression. And being able to take that and make that actually help you, to make that a better version of you, like, that's, that's the gift of life.
**Unknown:** We've been taught and programmed that it's bad and something that we should get rid of and that we should be ashamed that we even feel that way and we should be ashamed that that's actually a part of us. Like, that's all bullshit that keeps us still slundering at that low vibration, that low quality of life. But when we can learn how to use and maximize the, the gifts that brings, just like a parasite's helping to clean shit up inside of you, it's not all bad. If, if we can learn how to capitalize off of that parasite, and then when we're done, guess what?
**Unknown:** Thank you, goodbye. Let's move on. Yeah. It, it's interesting because so many things that are supposed to be, quote unquote, good for us turn into a guilt and shame game.
**Unknown:** You know, I... You know, we were having this conversation the other day. It's like, "Well, now if I... I, I got into meditation for all the right reasons, but now if I don't meditate, I feel guilty." "Oh, I got into diet and exercise for all the right reasons, but now if I don't, if I, if I eat out or I do this or I have a, a cocktail," guilt and shame yourself.
**Unknown:** So i- it's, it's definitely important what you're saying, and I'm gonna just leave it with this, because this is your famous phrase that I absolutely love, is turning your pain into power. All right, guys. See you on the next one, where we're gonna talk about somewhat of a similar topic in relation to neurodegenerative diseases. We're gonna talk specifically about ALS, but if you know anyone with neuro- neurodegenerative disease at all, if it's MS, Alzheimer's, dementia, there is going to be pearls inside of that podcast for them as well.
**Unknown:** We thank you so much for being an avid listener of Integrative U Radio, formerly known as Integrative Wellness Radio. We appreciate all of your support. We love your comments. Please visit us on social media as well as our website to see all of the fun things happening behind the scenes and the new amazing content and courses that is being rolled out on a monthly basis.
**Unknown:** We hope to see you there.
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