Stop Trying to Win Fights. Start Building Alignment.
The solution for chronic conflict isn't about better arguments—it's a framework for shifting from 'me vs. you' to 'us vs. the problem.'
Topics: different, trying, nicole, life, gonna, because, chaos, nick
Key takeaways from this episode
- Nicole (00:01) Hey guys We're just laughing because of the sheer actual chaos that has been going on to try to get on this podcast as we are now trying to talk to you guys about your relationship.
- A lot of times people will sugarcoat it and say, This is what you do for a perfect life and you know, a black sheep is gonna say that's bullshit because life is messy. and the goal is is you know, you can't just I guess we're diving into it, you can't lie about the mess.
- Nicole (01:53) Not the, you know, end all be all, but helping in taking some of the emotion out of the difficult times and the challenges with relationships and get you thinking with a little bit different of a hat so that you can navigate it.
- Nick (00:51) So you gotta figure out how to deal with the mess.
- When we talk about relationships or we talk about parenting, we are not sitting here trying to tell you what to do.
Pull quotes
If you're focused on being right, the relationship is guaranteed to lose. It creates a scenario where one person has to be the loser, which means the partnership itself is fundamentally failing. The only 'rightness' is finding alignment together.
The goal isn't constant harmony. That's a fucking fantasy. The real goal is having harder conversations much quicker, before the resentment and pressure compound into an insane fight that blows everything up. You have to address the load.
A higher awareness is being able to acknowledge what your emotional lens is. Is it frustration? Resentment? Fear? Understanding your lens—and your partner's—is the first step to taking the emotion out of the argument and finding the real problem.
Transcript
Dr. Nicole (00:01)
Hey guys We're just laughing because of the sheer actual chaos that has been going on to try to get on this podcast as we are now trying to talk to you guys about your relationship.
So we'll preface with this.
Dr. Nick (00:21)
Life is life is life, man. You know. A lot of times people will sugarcoat it and say, This is what you do for a perfect life and you know, a black sheep is gonna say that's bullshit because life is messy. and the goal is is you know, you can't just I guess we're diving into it, you can't lie about the mess. You can't cover it up, it's life is messy.
Dr. Nicole (00:24)
Fucking Kara.
gosh.
Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. Nick (00:51)
So you gotta figure out how to deal with the mess.
Dr. Nicole (00:55)
Yeah, that is for sure. That is for sure. So we're gonna preface now, guys. When we talk about relationships or we talk about parenting, we are not sitting here trying to tell you what to do. We're not sitting here trying to say, my God, we have it all figured out. But overall, we've worked with a lot of people. And Nick and I have been in business together for close to 15 years, and we've been together even longer than that. And we've just navigated some really hard shit. And essentially it was.
figure it out or like die slash get divorced. And and we've you know, we've really pushed through and persevered and tried to figure out, you know, why do relationships feel so fucking hard at times? And it's complicated. It's not one thing. We're essentially trying to talk to you about one aspect that we feel like is foundational in helping
Dr. Nick (01:29)
We're we're experts at mess.
Dr. Nicole (01:53)
Not the, you know, end all be all, but helping in taking some of the emotion out of the difficult times and the challenges with relationships and get you thinking with a little bit different of a hat so that you can navigate it. I don't even want to say more seamlessly, you could just navigate it with a different lens opposed to.
running with the heightened emotions and leaning into the chaos because if you lean in or or you just succumb to the chaos, things just either get worse and worse and worse or they perpetuate for long periods of time, which makes it harder to get out of. I think that we've all experienced that at points.
Dr. Nick (02:40)
Say if you're listening to this, get a pen and paper or something, take notes because there's gonna be a few gems and like Dr. Nicole said, there'll be some foundational things that you'll want to review to help reprogram the mind to be able to use. And you know, it's a lot of it's simple, but until it becomes the program, we're gonna default back to you know, whatever the old system was that drives the chaos.
And I think the foundational one is
Don't try to be right.
Because it you being right isn't gonna help the scenario. And that's it's the relationship. And it's not about the other person being right. It's not about saying you're right, I'm wrong, like I'm sorry, like let's go, let's move on. Like that's that's not the answer. It the answer is okay, we have chaos, we have a fight, we have an argument, we have misunderstanding, we have a misalignment. The goal is
How do we get clarity and become aligned? How and that's the foundation. That's that's quote unquote the rightness. It's not you, you, me, it's us. And when we you can pause and go into it at that, the outcome, even if it's not the best outcome, it's gonna be better than, oop, you were right or she was wrong, or she was right, and you were wrong.
Dr. Nicole (04:15)
But I think the point is that being right, there's there's two different lenses. Like you can, two different people with two different sets of values and two different mindsets can look at the same situation, even if it's outside of themselves, and have two very different perspectives on it. You know, the same thing is like somebody says something to you in a grocery store and they're like, excuse me. One person having a bad day can say they were fucking rude. And then the other person's like, No, they were just being nice and
Politely saying, excuse me, so I could, you know, they could get to the can of tomatoes. And so we have to understand that there's always two ends of the spectrum, depending, it depends on what lens you're looking from in that, in that moment. And in relationships, we tend to have heightened emotions because there's so many layers stacking on top of each other. But and and we tend to not refrain from leaning into that. You know, when your boss says something to you, you're not just gonna.
Flip the fuck out. But when your husband or your wife says something to you, it's very easy to just go there because there's not as many, well, there is repercussions, but there's not repercussions to the capacity of like, get the fuck out of here, the way you would get fired from a job. But one thing that I want to say, which is kind of the the the title of this, of this podcast.
Dr. Nick (05:27)
Yeah, you just, you know, maybe sleeping on the couch for a while.
Dr. Nicole (05:37)
And it's something that obviously is pushed very heavily right now. And I'm not saying good nor bad, but what you said about being right, a lot of times people are embarking on couples therapy, and I think there's a fantastic intention behind it. But we sometimes find that one partner is really into it and the other partner isn't. And we could say, it's because they don't, you know, they're not into growth or they don't care. We have all the reasons. But
A lot of therapists are also human, and they also got into what they do because of their own voids and challenges or observations of those challenges, aka they came from a divorced family, things like that. They're humans, they have their own stuff, their own shit, their own traumas, their own experiences, their own emotions. And because
Dr. Nick (06:31)
So when they do,
they're going to lean inside towards that imbalance.
Dr. Nicole (06:38)
Exactly. We've heard some crazy fucking stories from our clients over the years about their experiences with couples therapy. And, you know, we've heard of a therapist just black and white siding with one person and like blacking out and screaming at the partner to the point that it was like everyone was like, What just happened? Because clearly there was something triggered inside of that person.
So, you know, not to go into in into depth with that, but just making a point that we have to remember that. We have to remember that, you know, they're humans. And also are you or your partner choosing that therapist because they're leaning towards the side you lean to? Cause that's not gonna help anybody. That's not helping your relationship get better.
Dr. Nick (07:28)
Well and that just comes well and
that comes back to like it's you know, therapy is not necessarily good or bad and y it's it's taking away right or wrong is foundationally bad. Because you you're always gonna have a loser. And if if one person in the relationship's a loser, guess what? The relationship is losing.
So I think one of the the one of the big things I wanted to jump back onto, we don't have to dive right into it right away, but you you said two things that I think people don't understand are actually the same thing. That acknowledging what lens somebody's looking through or experiencing through and taking the emotion out of the fight. The lens is the emotion.
Dr. Nicole (07:55)
Yeah.
Mm.
Dr. Nick (08:23)
And and that's is the lens frustration, is the lens anger, is the lens resentment, is the lens I'm not safe, is the lens grief? Like so the emotion we don't want to have the lens through the emotion, but a higher intelligence, a higher awareness is to be able to acknowledge what emotion is my lens coming from?
Dr. Nicole (08:51)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Nick (08:52)
On both sides. What what emotion is my lens, but also being able to pause and be like, shit, like Nicole's really fired up right now. Like what's her emotional lens? Because
Dr. Nicole (09:05)
But what's the foundation
of the emotion is what we want to really capture today.
Dr. Nick (09:12)
Cool, 'cause as usual, I never know what the hell we're talking about until we start talking about it.
Dr. Nicole (09:18)
I
did send you cliff notes, Nick.
Dr. Nick (09:20)
Yeah, I didn't open that.
Dr. Nicole (09:22)
my God. Anyway, I'll go through and make sure that we touch on all the important points. you're a hundred percent right. The the point is, and this is one of I want to make two points before we dive into very specific questions that Nick and I are both gonna answer to kind of shed light on the solutions here. But one, what you were just saying is that the real fight is never the fight. You know, on our website we say like it's not about the dishes.
Dr. Nick (09:28)
Typical relationship.
Dr. Nicole (09:51)
And we're being funny and playful, but you know, it's like someone fucking loses their shit, you know, either, you know, sitting in the traffic in the car or they're or you know, somebody breaks something or the, you know, the dishes are in the sink again. And it's just that's you know, that's a tipping point, but it's not the point. It's not the foundational problem. So when we're running around with these very particular emotions that are are taking hold of us.
Or we're lashing out, we're crying, we're yelling. You know, it's when we've reached this load. And the load is the thing that needs to be considered and investigated by both parties. It's not nobody's one responsibility. But when you are are walking around with feeling so much fucking pressure for holding it all together, doing it all, you know, making the money.
Like these are the things that eat away at your fucking insides. And you you don't always know how to communicate it, or you don't even have the opportunity to communicate it because you're in these crazy chaotic schedules. And and then, or you do try to communicate it and it's not received well. So it turns into a fight, and then you just are like, fuck this. And then it just it's
Compounding and compounding and compounding and compounding. And then we have the insane fight or the insane get the fuck out of the house. You know, listen, we guys, we've been there. We know what it's like. And it cat it it takes hold of all of us. It's not that our goal is to ever get to the point that everything is harmonious all the time. If anything, it's having harder conversations quicker is actually one of the things we want to drive home. And
You guys have heard us say this before, and I and I'm gonna say it again because some of you might be like, that sounds so dumb, that sounds so ridiculous. Running your house, running your relationship like a business is the key to success. And we're not trying to overcomplicate this for you guys. We're gonna just make it super simple. But if you are in a job and now you were all pumped up and now you're feeling like, I don't even know if they like me, I don't even know if I'm going doing a good job or not.
I don't know if I'm eligible for the promotion. I don't know if I'm getting fired tomorrow. The reason why you don't know those things is because there's no feedback, there's no constructive conversations, there's no hard conversations, there's no nothing. You're just in your head, not knowing, creating stories. The exact same thing is happening in relationships.
Dr. Nick (12:31)
Well and
the the f funny part and the funny part about feedback is we'll always have it, but you know, I'm always geeking out on understanding how things work through physics. But it's either gonna come either in the law of one or to the many. So if it's
Dr. Nicole (12:36)
Why wouldn't there an alar be an alarm that goes off right now? Come on.
Dr. Nick (12:59)
On that one side, you're gonna have really intense, very few aspects of feedback, which is in a relationship, is you just see the blow-ups. You know, I guess same thing if you have that type of a boss, a low-level leading boss, you'll have those blow-up, you'll have the shitty boss. you'll have the same, you know, blow-ups. But if you have the opposite of that, the many, the mini conversations, the the weekly set point, the weekly touch-ins.
Dr. Nicole (13:16)
A shithead boss.
Dr. Nick (13:29)
You know, you're filling out a forum beforehand to be able to review. So you're taking the emotions out of it and you're coming in with constructive, grounded ideas. And it's not so much, you know, when you were talking about holding it all in, I was like, Well, it's interesting. Why do people hold it all in? You know, they they do it for a reason. A, because they've taught that. They've seen probably unconsciously their parents or other relationships do that at a young age. And that's just that's just what we do. And
When I thought about it as you were talking, it's it's not the responsibility, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, because you'll have based on the person's values, you know, one partner's usually going to be making more money than the other one. The other one's gonna be more of quote unquote a caretaker to create an actual balance. The problem isn't the responsibility of I take care of the family or I take care of the finances. The the problem actually is.
you're holding it all in, not the responsibility, but the lack of communication.
The lack of, like I got you. I understand. Like this is the why behind things. And that is having quote unquote the many feedbacks, the the weekly touch points, the weekly meetings, is you get on the same page. You don't change who you are. One person's driven to take care of the family financially, and the other person's driven, you know, through the caretaker system. That's black and white. There's usually a combination of both. But
As you're on the same page, you understand the other person. You understand why they're not making money, or you understand why they're never home and they are making money. And you have those candid conversations, not for who's right and who's wrong. You have the candid conversations so that you're on the same page and you understand each other. Because when you understand each other, you love each other. You can't love something you don't understand. And you understand more about yourself.
Dr. Nicole (15:29)
It's
It's interesting what you're saying because so these regular rhythms we call them of of communicating. I was thinking about this the other day, and I was like, it's the four S's. Feeling seen, supported, secure, and safe. I'll say it again. Feeling seen, feeling supported, feeling secure, and feeling safe. These are four really, really fucking important things in a relationship, in a family.
And I know that, you know, some men might say, like, secure and safe, ma at the end of the day, a a woman's interpretation of that is a little different than a male's interpretation. But feeling secure and safe is, is there money in the bank? Do I know how much money is in the bank? Opposed to like, am I- Do I have a house? Am I gonna keep my house? Am I gonna have a place to raise my kids? Those types of things. Does someone have my back? Is my partner have my back if his family
is talking shit or saying I'm a bad parent. You know, there's a lot of elements of feeling safe and secure. And one of the things when it comes to feeling seen and supported, we have a rhythm that's available to you guys. one in our couple's alignment, which is a well, there's so much in the couple's alignment, but it's a series of assessments you fill out with your partner. And it gives you like literally the blueprint of who you guys are individually, how to bring it together, how to communicate.
How to feel seen, how to feel supported, and also what is this weekly rhythm so that you take all the questions out of it. Because if you have this very particular structure, you're able to know what you're celebrating. So the person feels seen and supported. So some people might look at, you know, the whole caretaker person who makes money, like, that's so old school. Like that's how we run. I know that I fought that for a long time.
But when you have a family and you or you have dogs, you have house, like you have to take care of that shit, otherwise it all falls apart. So being able to feel seen, like, thank you. I want to celebrate the fact that you got the house ready for the party, or the party was a success, or you know, the kids crush it at soccer because you know, you have been taking them consistently to their practices. Whatever it is, those little celebrations of feeling seen going.
long way. And even for your partner who's the the the the breadwinner, the moneymaker, whatever the hell you want call them, hey man, thinks that we can have, you know, the private school and the soccer practice and all these things because, you know, you show up and and go to work and and earn for us to have all the things that we have. Like those things are so, so important. And I think that a lot of couples are not
Feeling or not feeling seen and not showing that level of gratitude, appreciation, or celebrations to their significant other. And if you don't feel seen, you feel invisible, you feel unappreciated, that is the fucking demise of your relationship. Like sit and think about that for a moment. It is like nobody wants to feel like that. Nobody wants to feel invisible. Nobody wants to feel
Unappreciated. Like it's human behavior.
Dr. Nick (18:55)
When it comes down just
and it comes down to being like bundle it all up into being acknowledged. Acknowledged for you. Acknowledged for how you're spending all your energy throughout the all your time throughout the day. And it's not just seen, it's acknowledged, 'cause seen could be heard, could be felt, like however it is for you. she said scene 'cause she's more visual, but you know, a more kinesthetic, so
Want you to feel me. Which I did learn. I mean
Dr. Nicole (19:25)
Which you learn in the couple's alignment. You learn if you
are kinesthetic or if you're visual and all of that. Because I'll give you guys a simple, simple, simple example of that. I'm visual. I am not auditory. So if Nick has to have a constructive conversation with me or challenging conversation with me, he actually will email me. He'll send it to me so I can visually read it, process it, and then we have a conversation later.
Sometimes it's not always a conversation. Sometimes it's just an email back and we get a line that way. You could fucking spin it however you want, but it's not this like everybody has to sit down and have a meeting because not everybody takes in information that way. And not everyone is skilled at speaking in a way that it's well received by the other person.
Dr. Nick (20:15)
Well and what's great about today is we have technology. So if somebody is auditory, you could I could still send you a voice note, you know, it doesn't have to be written, but once, you know, you go through the platform and you understand how somebody processes information, because I'm a slow learner and sometimes I don't follow my own advice. But I think it was actually yesterday I said something and A I was saying it was auditory and B, it was during family time, not work time. And it was like
Dr. Nicole (20:45)
I was pretty mad about that. It wasn't
Dr. Nick (20:45)
What are you doing? What are you
doing? And I was like and my initial reaction was like, fuck you. I was I had a thought, I wanted to share it. And then I, you know, stopped and was like, All right, are you who's right, who's wrong? We're not going there. It's it's it's yeah. I'll write that and I'll send that and we'll cover that, you know, later during our business time.
Dr. Nicole (20:52)
Ha ha ha.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Nick (21:15)
So I have gray hair. I have gray hair for a reason. Sometimes I don't and always
Dr. Nicole (21:17)
We're learning every day.
I have droopy eyelids for a reason. This is the things
you worry about when you're forty.
Dr. Nick (21:26)
But you made and I wanna play off of the symbolism, like a house, etcetera, if I wrote it down, you have to take care of it, otherwise it will fall apart. And I want all the listeners just to pause for a moment and think of, you know, you're putting all your time taking care of things. I want you just quickly think of what are you putting of your time and energy on taking care of? Is it your kids? Is it your business? Is it work? Is it cleaning the house? Is it laundry? Is it
Like what taking the kids here and there, like
Are you putting similar energy into your relationship? Because if you're not, it's gonna fall apart. It's black and white. Energy flows where attention goes. So what's nice is if you don't have a system in life, it's not sustainable. That's what we found. We didn't have the system for a long time and we knew human behavior, but it if we didn't have it planned out, guess what? It didn't get done, and things got messier. So
I encourage you and invite you to just take the time to create the system. And you don't have to create the system because we created it for you, so it's an easy plug and play because nobody's got fucking time to figure out how to create systems. It's we got enough other things going on. So it works, it's awesome. Do it.
Dr. Nicole (22:49)
Well I
I think the key thing that
you said though is when people say, you know, put time and effort into your relationship, most people are like, Holy shit, I feel exhausted even thinking about that. I don't even really know what that means. I don't really even know where to begin. And I'm gonna just give you like a high level of this because number one, we always say choose a fucking lane. You were talking about the person who earns the money and the person who's maybe a caretaker. And listen, we do both. Nick and I are are a split.
But I always say choose a fucking lane because and be clear on if that lane needs to change that week because you have X, Y, and Z going on. So if you don't have a regular rhythm going on, a regular structured meeting, time to connect, and maybe this is even something you just fill out and send to each other and you don't even physically meet, whatever, but if you can align, then
You know, you say normally I'm the cook and I take care of dinner because that's the lane that I'm in and that's the lane that I chose. But this week, not possible because I have X, Y, and Z business meetings. I have X, Y, and Z going on with the kids. And now you either delegate that to your partner or you delegate it out and say, We're doing this meal service this week, we're doing takeout this week, whatever the case may be. But like nobody's here to read your mind or know your schedule. That's your responsibility to communicate.
And most people are not going to.
Dr. Nick (24:19)
And if you don't, you've probably heard this before,
you'll get to the moment we're like, I can't fucking do it all. I can't do it all like, Well, I d I didn't know you needed help 'cause nobody asked.
Dr. Nicole (24:28)
Yeah. The same thing
goes with money. You know, Nick and I had this conversation even a couple of months ago. And, you know, there were we kind of had the whole like choose your lane or or you know, like stay in your lane when it came to certain aspects of money. There's aspects of the business that I solely run. There was aspects of investment that he totally runs. And I wasn't always, we weren't always in the loop of like.
This is what's going on here. This is what's going on here. And there were some things that were going on that invited us, it either could have been a blow up fight, or invite us to say, we need a better system. We need a better system to understand what's going on in this financial bucket, in this financial bucket. So this is important that you also have to integrate those buckets. You know, it's not that I or he runs every aspect of the kids and every aspect of the house.
There's certain things that he does, certain things that I do, but we also want to make sure that we're understanding what's going on. Like, you know, he's not the parent that has no idea what's going on with the kids or what sports they're in or what schedule they have. He's we're we're aligning in that capacity so that we both feel supported. We both feel like, okay, I know that this is going on.
So one, I can have a conversation with my kid knowing what they did this week or at dinner time. But two, I also know where I might need to show up different this week because my wife or whoever needs a little bit more support or needs maybe me to cover certain things that are not normally quote unquote in my lane. So
Dr. Nick (26:12)
And sometimes it's not doing anything but just you're not alone because you're not holding it all in. So it's like, Okay, well we're aligned, we're shared, it's we're on the same page. You know, it's like, Hey, you don't know, like he's just off today. And it's just like, Well, now you know why he's off or she's off. Like they're going through a stressful time or they're this is, you know, top of mind, etcetera. So it's
Dr. Nicole (26:26)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Nick (26:40)
It it kinda all really just comes back to being on the same page, having each other's back, whatever that means for you in your relationship. so you so you feel grounded.
Dr. Nicole (26:54)
So if you guys take away one thing today, something that I love because it's easy to remember, see it say it. If you can see it say it quick, you see that your partner feels off, is off, acting off, and depending on the person, you know, if you've been together a while, you probably know what's gonna be received better. If you say, What's up, what's going on? And you're like, I've done that in the past and they've blown up.
Don't do that. Text it. Email it. I don't know. Send it in a different way. But fucking ask. Ask. See it. You see something that seems off. Don't go in your head and I don't know. Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm hallucinating. Maybe it was her coffee. I don't know. Just if you if something seems off, see it and say it. And the other person has the opportunity to say, I'm fine.
Or to actually have the invitation to say, no, I don't feel fine and I feel off. And maybe they they know why, maybe they don't know why. But open the dialogue for hard conversations. Stop avoiding them. Conflict avoided as conflict multiplied. So one thing, see it, say it. It will go a long way. It'll be super fucking uncomfortable the first time you do it, but it will make a radical, radical change in your relationship right away. And if you are like, okay, that's cool.
I'm doing that already. Or yeah, maybe I'll try that and see how it goes. And you're looking for more, you're looking for the system, how to actually set up a weekly rhythm, a weekly connection time where you not only support the other person, you allow them to feel seen, you allow each other to know like what's going on, but you also have an invitation to have constructive hard conversations because that's the way the system is built.
It's not one-sided. You're like, everything is amazing, harmonious. It's looking at both ends of the spectrum. It's also getting very, very tactical about what you guys have going on in that week, how to align, how to delegate, maybe delegate to each other, maybe delegate outward. And this is also huge because if something is going on and you know, you're like, I need a babysitter, I need a nanny, I need a cleaner.
And the other partner has no idea why you're asking, and maybe they're very frugal or very money conscious, they're gonna they're automatically, and that might be rooted in like childhood trauma, like, no, no, no, we can't spend, we can't spend, we can't spend, because then I don't feel safe and secure. But at the end of the day, they have no idea why you're asking for that because there's no communication and they don't understand that you are fucking drowning. Like there's no physical way to actually manage it all. So everything you're feeling is valid.
There are all the reasons. Like no one is sitting here saying don't feel a certain way. But understand that there is a solution beyond just going and talking about your story with a therapist who might be one-sided due to their own traumas and experiences. You need a system. So even if you want to do your own personal growth and you want to do your own therapy, fan fucking tastic. But that has to be met with tactical systematic action.
You can't do one side. You can't only do action and not grow yourself and calm your emotions and regulate your nervous system. And the vice versa. You gotta bring both worlds together.
Dr. Nick (30:30)
And see it's say it's I would say it's a good first step. We very, very rarely have to do that anymore because we have the systems in place and thinking about it only the only times we do see it and say it is if, you know, it was a holiday or something, our schedules changed up and we for whatever reason didn't have the meeting and then we weren't on the same page and we didn't have the understanding between of, you know, what's on her mind or what's she processing or what she doesn't know.
what I'm processing or what I'm going through. So then there is a see it and say it. The downside to us the downside to a see it and say it is that it's usually in the moment of an emotion which can compound that. So it it's it's an intelligent first step, but the quicker I think you can move past a see and say it and just, you know, put your energy into a system that goes back to takes the emotions out and really just works on the
Dr. Nicole (31:04)
Yeah, but even the other day for you.
Mm, true.
Dr. Nick (31:28)
quote unquote problems and solutions objectively, the the more rock solid the relationship's gonna be, which is honestly the energy that fuels the family.
Dr. Nicole (31:38)
No, I do agree. I think the the pros of the see it say it is a person feels seen in that moment. They're like, they're paying attention, which can feel good definitely to some people, but on the receiving end, sometimes it could be like, Well, fuck you. So if that's the case, usually do the text message or the email.
Dr. Nick (31:55)
Ha ha.
Dr. Nicole (32:03)
All right, guys, we're gonna leave it there and we hope you enjoy it. definitely check out our our couples alignment system is very robust. But if you're just like, I don't really understand this, I don't know what it's all about, I wanna like dip my toes in. We have the couples D code and it's a super affordable $47 and it's gonna give you a blueprint about you and your partner and just like a really, really solid starting place for.
Dr. Nick (32:04)
All right, all right.
Dr. Nicole (32:31)
who you two are as individuals and as couple.
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Integrative You Radio is a root cause medicine and integrative medicine podcast hosted by Dr. Nicole Rivera and Dr. Nick Carruthers — two integrative doctors who build personalized wellness protocols from your DNA, minerals, hormones, gut, and nervous system rather than from a population template. Looking for an integrative doctor who reads your labs together instead of in isolation? This is the show.
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