Mental Sovereignty with Guest Dr. Brett Jones
Episode 106
In this episode, Dr. Nicole interviews an old friend and colleague, Dr. Brett Jones. The two go deep into the current state of the world, how to ask better questions, and most importantly, how to live a better life. Interested in working with IWG? Book a complimentary consult call to learn more using this link: https://bit.ly/IWRcall2021 Noteworthy Time Stamps: 4:00 Brett’s secret to being a great chiropractor 6:25 Path of continual evolution 11:03 What to question 18:15 Control & individual thought 22:20 How do we save the most lives? vs. How do we live the most life? 27:00 The mental health factor 32:18 Asking better questions 42:22 Adverse reactions 48:20 Body & mind, thinking for yourself
Topics: brett, jones, nicole, created, chiropractic, training, mental, learn
Key takeaways from this episode
- Nicole:** It was a very raw and real friendship that was created a very long time ago, and it is actually amazing to see what he has created because literally, I met you a fresh into school.
- Nicole to learn more about the top trends in integrated medicine, to learn about what the limitations are with testing, and what you can do to start your health journey. **Dr.
- Brett Jones:** Oh, God, you, sister. back in, Yeah, you met me as the young, the young in chiropractor school.
- And we have all kinds of training camps, and, um, you know, it's just, it's such a blessing to help to help, you know, guide and mentor students in that way, because the truth of it is in chiropractic school you, you don't get, uh, a lot of hands-on training.
- So, to to work with the training both on the chiropractic side, but to me even bigger, uh, why Kairos is what it is, is how we train the mental, emotional, and spiritual pieces, um, through a variety of movement, breathwork, meditation, and breakthrough experiences.
Pull quotes
Imagine if medicine actually looked at you as a whole opposed to looking at you as a bunch of separate systems.
Nicole to learn more about the top trends in integrated medicine, to learn about what the limitations are with testing, and what you can do to start your health journey. **Dr.
We are actually doing a podcast episode today on Integrated Wellness Radio, and I have my good friend and colleague here, Dr.
Transcript
**Unknown:** I've been up all night, no sleep. Imagine if medicine actually looked at you as a whole opposed to looking at you as a bunch of separate systems. Dive into Integrated Wellness Radio with Dr. Nick and Dr. Nicole to learn more about the top trends in integrated medicine, to learn about what the limitations are with testing, and what you can do to start your health journey. **Dr. Nicole:** Welcome, everyone. We are actually doing a podcast episode today on Integrated Wellness Radio, and I have my good friend and colleague here, Dr. Brett Jones. Um, I know that he is very popular on the online space for the amazing work that he does in the world. But what people don't know is we were actually roommates being degenerates a couple years ago. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Don't say it. This is, this may be in true, yes. **Dr. Nicole:** It was a very raw and real friendship that was created a very long time ago, and it is actually amazing to see what he has created because literally, I met you a fresh into school. And I knew you were going to be do big things, so it's like, it's pretty awesome to see what you've created. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Oh, God, you, sister. back in, Yeah, you met me as the young, the young in chiropractor school. My first, my first quarter. Yeah, you got to get the be introduced to the jersey craziness. **Dr. Nicole:** I know. You know you, you are the person who created the nickname for my dad, Big Dog, which is a side story we're not even going to get into, but like still to this day, that lives on. His name is Big Dog. So, that's for another podcast, but we will go there one day. But Brett has been doing some really amazing things. I've been watching from a distance because we don't live close. But, uh, he has created the Source Chiropractic, which is now in various locations. And, uh, he's made a pretty big move, um, to create the Source in Tucson. And he also has an amazing platform, uh, uh, I feel like I'm going to say it wrong. I was going to say Kairos. **Dr. Brett Jones:** That's goo- **Dr. Nicole:** Okay. Um, and tell us more about that because, from what I understand, it's a, you're really taking a lot of chiropractors under your wing and training them to be the best of the best, right? **Dr. Brett Jones:** That's basically it. Yeah. We, um, we're like the, the Navy Seals if you will of chiropractic. **Dr. Nicole:** I love it! **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah, uh, but yeah, you know, that actually started as a student. Uh it first launched, it's called the Adjusting Ninjas. I was a little underground club that we did at Life Chiropractic College West. And then, you know, I wasn't sure that it was going to continue when I left. I didn't know how much of it was about me being there versus how much was about the training, and it grew when I left. So, I realized that what we had created was was something that, um, needed to be shared, you know, different, you know, different schools. And so, now I've gone and taught, I think we're at 13 different countries now, and over 5,000 chiropractors and chiropractic students. And we have all kinds of training camps, and, um, you know, it's just, it's such a blessing to help to help, you know, guide and mentor students in that way, because the truth of it is in chiropractic school you, you don't get, uh, a lot of hands-on training. You know, it's a lot of, um, pozology if you will, you know, when you're going to learn these adjustments. So, to to work with the training both on the chiropractic side, but to me even bigger, uh, why Kairos is what it is, is how we train the mental, emotional, and spiritual pieces, um, through a variety of movement, breathwork, meditation, and breakthrough experiences. And, um, one thing that I've learned, um, is that if you want to be a great chiropractor, be a great person. **Dr. Nicole:** Hell to the yeah! **Dr. Brett Jones:** The great person goes a long fucking way. And, yeah, good, I want to be around good people. And so, you know, there has to be has to be work and trained, and we have to heal ourselves continuously, because what we do, uh, requires holding deep space for people. And being, being clear, you know, clear and certain in and, and and who we are, because we are, um, kind of of a different cloth, if you will, you know. We, we don't follow the mainstream. Um, we take health into our own hands. And I think that's you know a lot about what this podcast is going to be about, is what is mind-body sovereignty? Is it worth fighting for? And where do we find some of the greatest expressions of health and humanity? Um, so, yeah, I'm excited to get into it. **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah, I think what you're saying is is so massive because, you know, one of the things that I teach in the institute is just, you know, comfort is is the death of everything. And if you are not continually growing yourself, growing your business, then, you know, you are are stagnant. And it's really something that doesn't allow you to fulfill that purpose or be lit up every day. And, you know, we're, we're currently living in a model that we're being stripped of critical thinking and using common sense. Common sense is not so common anymore. And, you know, I know that one of the biggest things that we teach at Integrated Wellness Group is getting people to think outside the box, and **Dr. Brett Jones:** Right. **Dr. Nicole:** I love when I have a conversation with someone and they're like, wow, that really makes sense. But it's pretty much the polar opposite of what they've been told about their health, or their mindset, or how their mind affects their health. And, you know, it's really part of our job is is retraining and and deprogramming the programming. And, you know, this is something that I, I'm I'm so excited to kind of like, bring both perspectives to the table because I think that based on how we've been, you know, practicing in different endeavors is we're both experiencing it, but in different ways. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, you said a few things that that resonate with me is, um, one is the the path of continual evolution and growth. And in that path of continual evolution of growth, it is often uncomfortable, but it is possible to become as familiar with the uncomfortable as you are with the comfortable. Many avoid the uncomfortable due to unfamiliarity, which then brings a fear. Um, and this can also be communicated as the shadow side of ourself, right? The light is what we know, right? In in the light there is gnosis, in the light there is an objective experience. In the darkness is what we don't know, but the greater our light, the bigger the shadow, um, which means that we find out that we don't know a lot. And that's actually **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. **Dr. Brett Jones:** That's actually the educated journey of why I even chose to be a chiropractor in the first place. You know, I go to undergrad, I'm studying exercise science and sports management, learning about the body and at the time really about how to be bigger, faster, stronger for football. But I kept realizing the more I studied human anatomy, the more I studied physiology, uh, the more I study kinesiology, the more I didn't know anything. I knew I didn't know anything, and I was like, I want to keep going. And so, um, I let the unknown be and be a source of inspiration. Um, whereas many let the the unknown be something that they need to fucking label. **Dr. Nicole:** Yep. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Put it in a box so that they don't have to deal with it. And what you end up with then is if you constantly are unwilling to deal with the unknown, one, you're going to, you're going to experience stasis, which your means you're not growing, you're not moving, you're not adapting, and in stasis is the cause of disease, but we can get into that later. But also, um, you're going to start to end up with a very, very limited perspective of life often dictated by other. Because you won't question things because in the questioning, you have to experience the unknown of the answer that you're not aware of. You have to be able to discern a variety of opinions, perspectives, and data. And most people don't want to do it. And that's why I feel **Dr. Nicole:** I'm like this, I'm like, yeah, right now. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Well, I mean, it's coming in, you know, when when two or more gathered, right? So, it's it's coming in, uh, because you know, I I, you know, these are some of the thoughts that I have, but they don't always have an opportunity to to express, so I'm, I'm grateful to be on this podcast. I'm grateful to be with you because, um, I I do operate as a channel, um, mostly when when teaching. And so, um, this is, this is good, because there's new information coming through. But, um, yeah, uh, and this is why I think a lot of people end up getting labeled the quote-unquote sheep, which I'm not a fan of of giving it a name personally, um, because I feel like then that's kind of a similar thing of I'm putting a label on this person. Now, I don't have to deal with them, and I just associate all of these ideas with what I think that is. Versus I can notice a behavior. I'm noticing a behavior, I'm questioning on whether or not that behavior is healthy, whether or not that behavior is empowering. Um, and then holding space hopefully for that person or people to to find a different perspective. But yeah, I think a lot of this has to do, um, which again I'm I'm happy to dialogue this. But, um, Western civilization especially, um, is very very afraid of the shadow, very afraid of darkness. And this is something that has been, um, taught, you know, with with colonization. Um, a lot of practices that existed in indigenous cultures, um, whether they be shamanic practices or other practices and forms of spirituality were immediately casted out as evil. Um, were considered demonic, uh, were considered to be, you know, not of God, and of a certain again light. But what I've, you know, what I've personally found is that those tough experiences where we really go within to the the deeper, um, psyche of our own mind, of our own beingness, and question it. **Dr. Nicole:** Mhm. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Why is this here? Why do I feel this way? **Dr. Nicole:** Mhm. **Dr. Brett Jones:** What is my needs or what are my unmet needs? Did this come from someone else? **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Is this a form of repeated trauma? Is this down an ancestral line? Is this me getting vision of something in the future? Like, those deeper questions, although maybe painful, although may, uh, create momentary chaos in our life, usually lead, especially with guidance, usually lead to a greater awakening of self, to a a greater capacity to heal, to grow, to live. But it's often that work that gets neglected, um, massively, because of fear of the unknown. **Dr. Nicole:** Well, it's interesting, with what you were saying about, um, you know, comfort and and fear around, uh, around that, but the one of my absolute favorite quotes is that everything you need is outside of your comfort zone. And people will fight like hell to stay in their comfort zone. And it's just like interesting because I just remember, you know, back in the day, even as a literally a child, and I don't know where it came from, and and I don't know if it was just my inner self was or my inner voice was just so loud that I couldn't even ignore it. But I remember even just being in like elementary school and, oh, you have to have a pass to go to the bathroom. Like, why? Like, I always like challenging like, that doesn't make any sense. Like, I it's a natural thing that I have to do. Why can't I just go? And it was just such a lack of trust with children, and it was like, no, you have to walk in this line and do this, and you only have 10 minutes. And it was just always questioning, questioning, questioning, but then you get in trouble, or, you know, you get told, don't question. And your friends are even like, why are you questioning it? And it kind of like dims that. And then, you know, but it's always there, and you have to make a choice, I think to listen to it. And you have to make a choice to get out of that comfort zone. And you have to make a choice to know that it is okay to be different. It is okay to think differently. And if you think differently, there are going to be people that give you pushback, but there is going to be a boatload of people that you inspire at the same time. And as long as you are truly in integrity with that. Like, I remember getting out of school, and wanting to shout from the rooftops everything that we learned, and how the food industry is corrupt, and how there's so much wrong with what we've been programmed as being, you know, quality medicine. And I found there was a lot of pushback, but I, when I truly was like, you know what, I'm going to live my life the way I want to live it, and I'm going to embody this because this is my values and this is my belief system, and I'm okay with being different. And you can tell me I'm weird for doing this or doing that, or the food I put out at my get-togethers? I could give two shits. But what I found was that people started being like, wow, you and Nick are really happy. And, wow, you guys don't really like fight a lot. And, wow, you guys really seem like you always have energy. And you guys really seem like you're clear on your business. And they started connecting the dots that it wasn't just about, you know, our mindset. It it was about everything we did and embraced, and how we were committed to thinking outside the box, and growing, and being okay with sometimes being wrong or sometimes not being accepted. Um, people started to get inspired by that. And that was really just such an aha moment for me is that it's, it it really just showed me it's about being okay with the uncomfortable, but also knowing that it's not for everyone, and some people are going to be extremely inspired, and others are not. And that's totally fine. I'm cool with that. But those are not necessarily the people that I want to spend my time with. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah. **Dr. Nicole:** And **Dr. Brett Jones:** There is, uh, there's a huge fear of criticism. I think is one of the big ones that keeps most people out of action. Because, you know, you said, because we all have this call in our own individuality, and of course, you have, you know, the different, different, uh, astrological signs and the enaggram and life by design. There's all these different things that can show you some patterns of potential behavior. I imagine you're a challenger as as I as I am, Um, in many ways. And so that I'm also been the the kid that questioned everything. I'm the one that questioned everything in chiropractic school too, and that's what led to the the greatness, if you will. Because I questioned everything like for a simple, like a simple leg check. Um, so in for those unfamiliar in chiropractic, you have, you know, a prone leg check. So somebody that's laying down on the table, you can check the length of their legs, and then they have a a test where you bring those legs up, and if one of the legs goes short, then that's supposed to be a certain listing, uh, for the pelvis, right? A certain subluxation. And I would say why? **Dr. Nicole:** Me too. **Dr. Brett Jones:** And then but the truth is, like, they didn't really have any good answers. **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. **Dr. Brett Jones:** And so, I because of asking the why, I was able to start to pick out the holes in every technique, because guess what? They're in every technique. **Dr. Nicole:** Everything, but everything in life. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Exactly. And now, and that's why I'd say everything in life, these these ideas, these perspectives, these philosophies on life, they all have their benefits, and **Dr. Nicole:** And jobacks. **Dr. Brett Jones:** They all have their liabilities and drawbacks, and they all have their holes. And so, we get better through a collective of perspectives and ideas that challenge the system, and then try to adapt and make it better. Right? And so, every time, but again there's this whole process of every time you bring out a new idea, the immediate is to judge it, and then ridicule it, potentially shame it, try to discredit it. But if it continues to last, and it continues to persevere, and then it continues to show results, now we have something that can continue to play. And, um, you know, I've experienced that in in my businesses, um, I've experienced that in my, my philosophy of life. I've experienced that in my pursuit in health. And, um, I think, you know, one of the bigger conversations that we want to get in here is right now, there's a play being made that is moving towards **Dr. Nicole:** Control. **Dr. Brett Jones:** control and completely ridding humanity from individual thought. And most people don't even see it yet. **Dr. Nicole:** And shaming the people that are thinking outside the box, that are saying, I don't want to be part of an experiment right now, because there are no studies on the vaccine. And in one breath, we're saying that the the Covid, uh, virus is completely, uh, you know, people can recover from it, and it has a very low mortality rate, and then other, you know, media is like, there's people dying left and right. So, we have to be able to take away this idea of black and white. And I tell people all the time is you want to think that medicine is black and white. I cannot begin to tell you how much freaking gray that there is. And how much of medicine is opinionated and subjective. You think that your doctor is giving you the best recommendation. They're giving you the recommendation of the medication that they saw work with the one other person who had your symptoms. And then when it doesn't work, they're like, hmm. Well, I saw this one other medication that worked, you know, this with this other person that kind of sounds like you, so we'll try that one. They're they're literally throwing shit at a wall. Like, there is no specificity. There is, there is lack of science. And I am so sick of people saying, do you believe in science? I'm like, tell me what science is valid other than the doctors that are living and breathing, and seeing the real-life cases that all are gray. They're not black and white, they're not the textbook. So, we need to stop thinking that there is valid science, because guess what? All the science is funded for money. It is funded by Pharma, which is for profit. And if you think that there is any level of a lie in that, like, do the research yourself, because that is the reality of what we are working with. So, when I started going to conferences for the functional medicine, I stopped going to certain conferences because I'm like, if you talk about evidence-based research one more time by a company that funded it, to pretty much push that their drug worked for a certain condition, like, I don't want to hear it. I want to hear it from the people that are living and breathing the real-life very difficult complex clinical situations. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yep, exactly, exactly. **Dr. Nicole:** It's not black and white, people. And it is very, very subjective. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah, science it is what science itself, right, is continual discovery. **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. Exactly, exactly. **Dr. Brett Jones:** How many how many things that we thought within science 10 years ago is not even close anymore. And how quickly is that process evolving with the aids of the new technology? So, you know, a an understanding that might have taken 50 years is taking closer to five years now. And then as that continues, it's an exponential process. So, one is people are communicating, they've they've confused the word science with medicine, and that's not the same. Um, and they've also confused science as being something concrete, which then goes back to there's a fear of the unknown. And I think that's one of the biggest fears that we're all dealing with. And because you see this happening with the fear of death as well. So many people, right, have been, you could say programmed, um, or are grown up in a paradigm or perspective of, um, fearing death. And and in the fear of death, you relinquish the right to live. And the wrong, to me, the wrong questions are being asked. Right now, the question that's being asked is how do we save the most lives? I would challenge that with how do we live the most life? Cause what can happen, right? Because a lot of people again are are just are just haven't, haven't become aware of even understanding statistics. Meaning that, um, if you actually look at the death rates, right? Of 2020 versus 2019 versus 2018 versus 2017 versus 2016. There were, I believe there's been an increase, right? in in deaths throughout the years of like, I mean, it's it's like a 0.0, 0.008. And 2020 just followed the same thing. If you actually look at excess deaths, right, that excess death number is really low. And in and if you're judging a pandemic on a novel virus, which would be a new disease coming into community, to me the most important number to be aware of would be the excess deaths. Because you're people are are are shouting, oh my God, 500,000 deaths in America. Yet we had this miraculous decrease in influenza deaths. **Dr. Nicole:** Yep. **Dr. Brett Jones:** We had this miraculous decrease in pneumonia deaths, pneumonia deaths. Then then we had all these misassociations of people dying with Covid versus due to Covid. Um, you know, and then also then you get to PCR test, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But, um, unfortunately, what's happening, right, is and then all these tiered systems that get created out of nothing, uh, based on based on no, no historical significance at all. I mean these tiered systems of lockdown and and and. But I think what people don't understand is the carrot can keep moving. Meaning that if your biggest concern is with the potential loss of life, and right now seems like people don't really care about loss of life due to cardiovascular disease, seems like they don't care about loss of life due to cancer, seems like they don't care about loss of life, you know, due to all of the other fucking things that can happen. But they're really concerned about the virus. Um, so, if your main concern is loss of life due to virus, you can make moves, right? That can potentially limit viral transmission to nearly whatever number you want. And my question is this at that point, what type of life are you living? We are here with the freedoms and the rights that we have because at some point, people said, this type of life is worth dying for. We're missing the point. What type of life do we want to protect? What type of life are we worth dying for? Because you can continue to to completely try to uh, rid the world of every bacteria and virus. I ask, what does life look like when you are doing that? Is everybody walking around in hazmat suits? And do we just never leave our home? And we only get our education and have interaction through a screen that then can be monitored and tracked and and, and. So, what type of life do you want to live? I know, because it wasn't that long ago that I enjoy social interaction. I know that's a basic human need. I study energy as well. I understand it as an electromagnetic field that radiates off the body, and part of our evolution comes from interaction with other electromagnetic fields. **Dr. Nicole:** Which is more powerful than anything else. **Dr. Brett Jones:** More powerful than anything else. And then isn't it interesting that the heart's electromagnetic field, which has the largest electromagnetic field out of any organ, is four to six feet? **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. **Dr. Brett Jones:** How far have they been telling you to keep distance from people? So, you're not getting any of those energetic evolutionary upgrades from being in community, from being in proximity, and what you're going to see, and it's already happening and that that is already there if you're willing to look at it, is you're seeing mental health issues skyrocket. And we are only on the brink of it. If you haven't seen what's happening to the kids in the schools, no social interaction, keeping their distance, six feet away, plexiglass, you know, like it's it's it's it's insane that children at the age of two now are being masked and distanced. When they have near zero risk of this virus. And they're having a hard time showing that they're they're increasing the transmission. Not only this, I just saw on the newsfeed that they just approved the Moderna vaccine, which is not a vaccine, it's gene therapy. They just approved it for, uh, for a trial for kids as young as six months old. When ideally, if you're going to vaccinate, or you're going to undergo experimental gene therapy, **Dr. Nicole:** Experimental is the keyword, people, experimental. **Dr. Brett Jones:** You'd more than likely want to be one of the ones that are even at risk of the disease. Why would you undergo a medical process when you have it almost zero, zero, 0.0001 fucking percent of having even illness? You're going to go undergoing experimental gene therapy? And they have no choice. And, um, yeah, so, you know, wrapping it back around this this thread here is the main question, I believe, that we all need to be asking is what type of life do I want to live? What type of life is it worth dying for? And sometimes that will happen through exposure to you fucking name it. And sometimes it'll happen through natural process, sometimes it'll happen through war, through battle. But we got to where we are at based on our previous generation's ability to choose that they were they were willing to die for us to have the life that we have now. And now we have so many people that are scared of death that they're not living. And they're relinquishing everything their their forefathers and their foremothers and, uh, have fought for, to create. And, um, it's very sad. It's sad. **Dr. Nicole:** It is, and, you know, even like speaking on behalf of some of these aspects that I want to kind of just shed a little bit more light on, um, when it comes to virus transmission, and exposures. Like, so much of what is out there, I remember when this all first started, and people were talking about coronavirus, and I was like, yeah, who cares? And, and I and they were like, what? And I'm like, I see coronavirus all the time in the testing that I do. I see lots of viruses all the time. Like, I don't I'm confused. What's the big deal? And they're like, and then it started blowing up and blowing up and I was like, oh, this is becoming a thing. And, you know, one of my colleagues, we were having a conversation, and he said something that just was so relevant. He's like, yeah, imagine if we just started swabbing people for anything and everything. Imagine the the the 30 million pandemics we would have. You know, start swabbing people for strep. 90% of people that I work with have strep in their bodies, even if they're two years old, if they're 60 years old. Epstein-Barr virus. 99% of the patients I work with have Epstein-Barr virus in their system. I would say on average, the people that I work with, and I work with all different people. I'm not just working with chronically ill people only. They all have four viruses or more in their body. And what we need to understand is that we are more viral matter than we are anything else as the human body. And one thing that Zach Bush said, which was such a pivotal moment in my career, is when you get into the functional medicine world, you know, you start doing testing and you find infections. You find parasites and you find bacteria, and you find viruses. And there's a lot of teachings out there is, kill it. Kill those infections so that you can, you know, create more homeostasis or a healthier body. And what he said was, viruses, parasites, bacteria have been around for thousands upon thousands of years, probably way longer. They're like there, it's been around longer than humans. So, if we think we're going to fight and we're going to win, you're wrong. And I just was like, you're 100% right. Because what I'm doing, what I was doing at that current moment with my patients wasn't working. Was focused on kill the bad guys, the quote-unquote bad guys. And some people had improvements, and there was a lot of people that didn't. And that was the evolution of my mind as a practitioner of asking better questions of what do I not know? And it comes down to the energetic system. It comes down to human interaction, and being able to connect and have quality conversations and interaction, and being able to feel that you're making an impact by helping others or growing something. And all of those things probably matter more than anything else. When you have an individual who's chronically ill, and you start to help them to work through trauma, or to change their their life so that they have more conversation or they have more interaction, or they create relationships that fulfill them, they radically heal. And it's not because of the magic drug or the magic surgery. Those things are so much more impactful than anything else. And honestly, the individuals that were not willing to explore that aspect of healing, that they were like, I don't even know what I would do if I healed tomorrow. I don't know what my life would look like if I had no symptoms. I'm like, well, you don't have a goal to work towards. And you're also not changing your day-to-day behaviors. So, I'm sorry, there is no magical supplement protocol, medical protocol or dietary protocol that's going to change those other elements. And when you see the people that are committed to that, and they make those steps, they need little to to any intervention, because they're, they're doing the foundational work. They're doing the deeper work. And that is just something that is so massively huge for people to understand. And this is why Dr. Nick got into the DeMartini Method. I know you know Dr. DeMartini, but there would be times that I would be doing like a timeline, I'm like, it's an interest, it's interesting that all of your symptoms started right when your mom passed away, or right when you got divorced. And it was I'm not saying it was the only thing, but it was the straw that broke the camel's back that allowed all of the inflammation to happen or all of the symptoms to really come to the surface. So, if we want to ignore the elephant in the room, we're not truly helping the person. And our society is moving towards isolation, fear of other people, fear of viruses. Listen, if you have a fear of a virus, you need it it's probably because you have zero idea of where your health is at, and **Dr. Brett Jones:** Right. **Dr. Nicole:** or you don't want to know where your health is at. So, that's a shitty place to live because you're completely disempowered. And it's a matter of having better information so that you can actually do something about it. And, you know, I know that you're practicing different things than I'm even practicing, but there is bioenergetic therapies. There are bio meridian therapies. There are there's shamanic work, there's energy work, there's, there's human behavior work. There is, you know, there are so many things out there that are modalities that are not the common belief that maybe are weird or woo-woo or because they're alternative. But guess what, people? Those are the ones that work. And there are so many things you can do. **Dr. Brett Jones:** It's always been that way. Medicine, it needs to be **Dr. Nicole:** Always. **Dr. Brett Jones:** This is actually superior than actually helping people with their health. **Dr. Nicole:** That's the misconception. **Dr. Brett Jones:** And I think that's that's that's what people also, that's a big misperception. So, I think the the current belief or perception is that medicine is superior in regards to health, because it seems to be the most prominent, there's the most medical doctors. Medicine has the most potential for making money, so it has the best marketing. **Dr. Nicole:** Mhm. **Dr. Brett Jones:** That's that's pure and simple the number one reason that people perceive it to be number one and health, and and emphasis on perceive it to be number one in health. Now, when it comes to, um, treatment of a symptom, there are some effective, you know, pharmaceuticals that are effective at treating certain symptoms. Um, but treating of a symptom does not mean healing. Treating of a symptom does not mean health. So, is it possible that I could have a symptom, right, and then have that symptom treated, but I'm still sick? **Dr. Nicole:** Exactly. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Absolutely, 100% of the time. Um, because sickness is not based on your expression of a symptom. It it sickness we really should view it as more of what is your susceptibility to sick to to to expressing, uh, symptoms that are non-favorable. Um, and so with that, uh, we have to realize that often, um, the the healing gets neglected. So, what is healing? Healing is revealing your already wholeness, and healing is going to be mind, right, body, spirit. Um, this is your your emotions, it's everything. It's the depths of who you are. In healing, something that can be experienced is often the exacerbation of a symptom. The increase of a symptom. Um, going from the energy perspective, uh, you talked about a few different situations with, you know, potentially the passing of a mom, or a bad breakup, or a traumatic experience, and then we start to see these like, these list of of of symptomatic, uh, symptomatic events and episodes and and creations. And you say, well, why is that? Well, that has an energetic signature, right? And everything that we've feel and experienced in the 3D, in our environment, um, really is in our field. And it stays with us. It's like a it's a snapshot, you know, of of and gets imprinted on this, this hologram. And so, often, we need to feel it fully to heal it. And yet so much of of Western medicine is in the numbing of symptoms, in the miseducation, in the misinformation, such as making bacteria and viruses a bad guy. When most again, most people just just don't have the awareness that you are more bacteria, and more virus than you are quote-unquote human. This is something that we've been interacting with. This is something that is archaic. This is something that again predates the the human biology. And, um, life and health is better when we understand how to adapt and interact with our environment instead of kill and destroy and numb and remove. Um, we start missing the point, because then we just wait for the next thing that we need to target. And, uh, and I and I that's again another dangerous path, going back to to mind-body sovereignty. The dangerous path of acceptance, that if you are willing to accept, right? experimental gene therapy. That's what it is. You can look it up. Um, look up Moderna, M M RNA, right? Um, therapy. It's it's a gene therapy. That's that's the actual definition that was given within, I think, when they registered to even be part of the I don't know it was FDA or something else, but it's a gene therapy, again, identified as a as a vaccine. But if you are willing to undergo the experimental gene therapy for a virus based on your specific age group or based on your specific health, um, that your chances of surviving are 99.97% or higher in interaction with it. **Dr. Nicole:** And also ignoring what is is being presented because people are unaware that there is a vaccine adverse reaction database. Um, it's actually not even that easy to navigate. Um, and when you're actually looking at that, there are thousands upon thousands, potentially even more because I haven't looked at it for a few days, of cases of, uh, people going into cardiac arrest after, you know, the vaccines. So, this is not our opinion. This is not anything of the sorts. Like, this is the data is there. And when you're actually, you can literally Google or Wikipedia some of the specific items that are on the package insert of Moderna and AstraZeneca, and one of the things that is present in the vaccine is the MRC5. MRC5 is the human diploid lung cells from a 14-week-old male Caucasian aborted fetus. So, for those of you that are religious, that are against abortion, you are now injecting aborted fetal cells into your system. You also have to understand is that you are putting, well, not only are you putting foreign DNA from those cells into your body, but you're also putting genetically modified ingredients in your body in addition to the vaccines are classified as recombinant. Recombinant means that that is a genetic hodge-podge that is completely foreign to the body, as well as foreign to the immune system's ability to recognize it as something to create an antigen against. So, like Brett is saying, is this is this is a gene therapy, it's compromising how your, the messaging to your DNA that pretty much says, hey, brain cells talk to each other. Hey, liver cells talk to each other. It's completely negating how those signals work. So, this is why you're not going to see the same symptoms. You're going to see some individuals that have neurological side effects, some individuals that have liver failure, some individuals that go into cardiac arrest. It's not going to look the same across the board, because it depends on the susceptibilities of the person, it also depends on the the current ecosystem of that person. So, we're really playing with fire as we are, you know, putting this in to people that are are already unfortunately toxic because of the world we live in. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah, it's silly. **Dr. Nicole:** It's **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah. And, um, and yeah, the the PCR, then I think is a misperception is that these companies do not get started for the health of the people. Right? Moda Moderna is in it for the money, y'all. And what about, I mean, if it is, you know, yeah, if you're talking about just pure profit, the vaccine industry makes a lot of fucking sense. They have zero risk, and that's what people don't understand, right? You can't sue a vaccine company due to inditification. And so, what happens is any of these adverse events that happen with these products, they go, they get paid out, and they get paid out by who? They get paid out by you. **Dr. Nicole:** They're hands off. **Dr. Brett Jones:** They get paid out by the taxpayer, right? And it's it's just it's just sad, right? That you have companies that have profit first interest, that are able to massively distribute product, utilizing governmental resources, right? Um, because again, a lot of these things aren't even being paid by by the consumer, they're being paid by the consumer through the government, through their taxes. **Dr. Nicole:** What people don't understand either, though, is that there is a separate judicial system for adverse reactions for from from vaccines. Like, if there are no such thing as adverse reactions from vaccines or no deaths associated with vaccines, why do we have a separate court system for it? **Dr. Brett Jones:** Right. Billions of dollars every year, right? Billions of dollars every year go to adverse event, uh, payouts. And only one, it's estimated that only 1% of people actually report the adverse events. But, yeah, so but the, the larger problem here, right? Um, that we're all going to be, you know, going through and and and dealing with in our own way, is this move that's being made, right, for what Orwell called groupthink. Um, right now there's this, there's this, uh, moving thought form, if you will, that is wanting everyone to think the same. And that's why you're you're seeing the censorship. That's why you're seeing, um, the aggressiveness of the cancel culture because it's basically taking things that that were always part of human nature, right? Just natural criticism for thinking differently, um, to new extremes. Um, where people will rally and try to ruin people's lives for just having a different thought that job's are being lost for having a different thought that we're wanting to get rid of history that had a different thought process. Um, instead of learning from it, allowing it to be, to continue to challenge the system, that way we can continue to evolve in a way that, um, is a collective, uh, a sovereign collective, which is very interesting to think about. But you're you're thinking about is is the whole, but each independently creating the whole, um, in its ideas versus really one major dominant thought form that controls the whole. That's currently the flip that's being attempted. And, um, if you lose mental sovereignty, which is the ability to think for yourself and express those thoughts, you are also going to lose body sovereignty. I'll say it again. If you lose mental sovereignty and the ability to think for yourself and express those thoughts, you will also lose body sovereignty. Which means that, if you can't think for yourself how to take care of your body, someone else will quote-unquote take care of your body. **Dr. Nicole:** Take care. **Dr. Brett Jones:** So, to me, that's very fucking dangerous. And then I also don't I don't even think it's just dangerous. I think we then lose out on what it means to be human. **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Right? For me, like, the greatest expressions of human, because human, right, is currently in a third-dimensional reality that has time and space, that has personal identification. Moving into spirit level of the fifth dimension, in the all consciousness, there is no other. If you value the human experience with having your own sets of emotions and experiences that are high, that are low, that are grand, that are small, that are um, that can create families and and have freedom of choice and freedom of thought, and to go here and to go there, and if you enjoy that human experience, you have to fight for it. **Dr. Nicole:** Yeah. And I think it's people need to get out of this mindset that it's going to come from the above, that, you know, this is going to end. And then all of a sudden someone's going to say, this is going to go back to normal, or life will go back to normal. Is that, you know, I think that the biggest goal of this podcast is to understand that it starts with us. And it's really going to be the people rising up and being able to think for themselves, and being able to ask better questions, and being able to potentially inspire others around them that are open. Not everyone is open, and we do need to understand that. We kind of need to know where to put the energy when it comes to the fight. Because there are just some people that are just in the mindset that they're not open, and and that's their life. But there are many people, and I and I know this for a fact, there are so many people that are just cowering inside because they they want to say something, they feel like something is wrong, they feel that the world is going in a bad direction. They feel that they're getting their rights ripped away, but they're they are not saying it because of the fear of what people are going to say around them. But there's so many others that are thinking and feeling the same way, and I think it's a matter of just empowering each other to be able to have open, honest, and non-judgmental conversations. And it's just understanding that everyone grew up differently. Everyone has a different set of values and a different set of beliefs. And there are a lot of people that are like, I don't want to be forced to do a vaccine. But I, you know, I think that they work, but this is weird that it's being pushed on me, and I can potentially lose my job if I don't do it. Like, people are starting to ask these questions, like, this doesn't make sense. But being able to have conversations without judging, like, how dare you think that way, or how dare you do that, because there are a lot of people that are just searching for answers, and they're searching to see what can we do as a collective to push things in the right direction, or or push things in a direction that we can maintain our mental sovereignty and our health, and be able to hug our relatives and our loved ones, and be able to regain connection and community, because these are the things that really allow us to thrive and be healthy. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah. **Dr. Nicole:** Um, I think what you said is huge, it's being proactive and not reactive. Um, this really goes against the grain from what a lot of us been been told, because it's the mindset of don't fix it until it's broke. Um, you know, for those of you, especially that are listening, that are looking for resources is even knowing, you know, integrated Wellness Group exists, the Source Chiropractic exists, because we are individuals that are, you know, we're really helping other people to be proactive in their health, and it's just a matter of having information, because you don't know what you don't know. And we really hope that this was empowering for a lot of you, and, hopefully, have some more fun podcasts coming in the future. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah. They need us. Mhm. **Dr. Nicole:** Well, thank you guys for being here. Thank you, Dr. Brett! This was awesome, and we'll hopefully have some more fun podcasts coming in the future. **Dr. Brett Jones:** Yeah. **Dr. Nicole:** We thank you for being a listener and subscriber to Integrated Wellness Radio. 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